Junior squad selected for 2016 European Tour

[Bike 123]

That's not new. SACF / CSA beeen doing it for decades.

 

I remember a kid finising 2nd on the Junior Tour after having a load of good results on inter-provincials and even some of the big timed races, not getting a call up.

 

Lots of talent that never got a crack to show the world what they're capable of.

Had to be noted that the selections race dates were only given 3 weeks before the time so that the people were in form at that time would have an advantage.

 

Where as at national champs, all the riders knew when the events would be held months in advance and everyone had a fair advantage to prepare themselves for this event.

 

Meaning that the best rider would win and I'd it not fair that this should count more toward the criteria then the selection race.

 

Although the selection race was still my just about results but how the riders race taken into consideration as well. As anyone could do well if they have a team racing for them and they say at the back till the finish

[Mongoose!]

At the cost for sending a kid over, some parents must be relieved their kid was not selected...lol

Edited May 19, 2016 by Mongoose!

[gtr1]

That's not the case, due to the event was held at a uci Paralympic World Cup, and was purely for selection purposes on how the riders race more than the podiums that they claimed. You can't choose riders purely on podiums if the case is that they sit in the bunch and win a sprint with a modest pace, while in the eu the pace will be much faster and the race will be harder and this rider will not finish as he another rider who knows how to race and is able to make the racing showing that he had the experience and expertise to do so. And they did not benefit from entries as the entries were R100 and there were only +- 40 riders at the event, do the math when you have to pay for 6 officials to fly over plus all other fees.

Another thing is that it was not purely done on selection race and local events. Other factors are taken into play as well as pdi riders

So if it's about how they race, why have a time trial ?

[Bike 123]

So if it's about how they race, why have a time trial ?

To see who can time trial? Why any other reason.

 

But just because a rider can TT doesn't mean they're going overseas when they can only TT and can't race 120km rr stages

[Pure Savage]

This is why we are loosing all of our top sporting athletes to other countries.

 

I know of a young guy who did these races and came in within the top 5 and has been in the top finishers for the last year in the U18 age group nationally, he did not get the call up. None of us know why... why bother to have a selection race when the results are irrelevant?

 

I would love to see him move on to greener pastures next year as he finishes school this year.

 

Drop his name then, at least get him some exposure on the hub.

[gtr1]

To see who can time trial? Why any other reason.

But just because a rider can TT doesn't mean they're going overseas when they can only TT and can't race 120km rr stages

So your result in the races isn't important, it's actually about how you raced. TT isn't importent, coz they not selecting to ride a TT.

But wondering, if someone rides a good TT and try's good results in kermesse and road race, why are they not selected.

So in other words it is all subjective, and if so, no need to have a selection race.

 

With your 3 posts on the hub, you are either a selector defending CSA's position, or a parent who's child got selected regardless of their reults.

[Julian]

Can anybody explain why Damean Oosthuizen wasn't selected? I haven't seen or heard more from anyone else in the junior road racing scene than him. Saw an article on facebook about him, he's gotten podium at every race he's entered and on national level as well. If i remember correctly his argus time was 2:39. It doesnt make sense to me how somebody with that talent isn't there? Maybe writing matric exams in that time period, but other than that it's ridiculous to not have him there while there are other names that aren't even heard of.

[gtr1]

Can anybody explain why Damean Oosthuizen wasn't selected? I haven't seen or heard more from anyone else in the junior road racing scene than him. Saw an article on facebook about him, he's gotten podium at every race he's entered and on national level as well. If i remember correctly his argus time was 2:39. It doesnt make sense to me how somebody with that talent isn't there? Maybe writing matric exams in that time period, but other than that it's ridiculous to not have him there while there are other names that aren't even heard of.

According to Bike 123 it must be that he does not race well enough :-(

Not just results that are considered. But how they race !!

[City Cycling Athletic Club]

So your result in the races isn't important, it's actually about how you raced. TT isn't importent, coz they not selecting to ride a TT.

But wondering, if someone rides a good TT and try's good results in kermesse and road race, why are they not selected.

So in other words it is all subjective, and if so, no need to have a selection race.

 

With your 3 posts on the hub, you are either a selector defending CSA's position, or a parent who's child got selected regardless of their reults.

Worlds consists of a road race and time trial. this is a squad that will race in europe to prepare for worlds champs. i think only 1 rider will race in the TT and 2 in the RR. 

[Omar]

If like any other selection then the parents. You get a letter saying well done you are selected, and then are responsible for all your own costs, even SA kit !!

like any other amateur / school sport - the parents pay , even for rugby and cricket. 

[Omar]

That's not new. SACF / CSA beeen doing it for decades.

 

I remember a kid finising 2nd on the Junior Tour after having a load of good results on inter-provincials and even some of the big timed races, not getting a call up.

 

Lots of talent that never got a crack to show the world what they're capable of.

CSA having been sending paying for talented youngsters to the UCI School for years - how many made it in the pro ranks? sometimes talent isn't enough.

Edited May 21, 2016 by Omar

[Cal Naughton Jr.]

Can anybody explain why Damean Oosthuizen wasn't selected? I haven't seen or heard more from anyone else in the junior road racing scene than him. Saw an article on facebook about him, he's gotten podium at every race he's entered and on national level as well. If i remember correctly his argus time was 2:39. It doesnt make sense to me how somebody with that talent isn't there? Maybe writing matric exams in that time period, but other than that it's ridiculous to not have him there while there are other names that aren't even heard of.

Let's look at Damean's results:

 

SA TT                      - 5th  (36min, 15 sec)

SA Road Champs    - 2nd (3hr, 10 min)

Selection Criterium  - 2nd (31min, 29sec)

Selection TT            - 2nd (35min, 6sec)

Selection Road        - 2nd (2hr, 11min)

 

If you compare the average of all the juniors' placings throughout the above 5 events, Damean ranks 2nd (after Greg de Vink). Greg averaged 2,5; Damean averaged 3.

 

However, if you compare all the times of the juniors' throughout the 5 events, Damean ranks 1st.

 

On paper and with simple statistics, you can objectively measure and compare performance - especially in terms of consistency. The argument that Damean wasn't selected based on how he raced works doesn't appear to be valid. Did he get lucky 2nd places in 4/5 events? Surely there can't be much of a fault in your racing style with results such as these?

 

FYI, I don't know Damean personally. I do think the fact that he was left out is a travesty.

[Bike 123]

Let's look at Damean's results:

 

SA TT - 5th (36min, 15 sec)

SA Road Champs - 2nd (3hr, 10 min)

Selection Criterium - 2nd (31min, 29sec)

Selection TT - 2nd (35min, 6sec)

Selection Road - 2nd (2hr, 11min)

 

If you compare the average of all the juniors' placings throughout the above 5 events, Damean ranks 2nd (after Greg de Vink). Greg averaged 2,5; Damean averaged 3.

 

However, if you compare all the times of the juniors' throughout the 5 events, Damean ranks 1st.

 

On paper and with simple statistics, you can objectively measure and compare performance - especially in terms of consistency. The argument that Damean wasn't selected based on how he raced works doesn't appear to be valid. Did he get lucky 2nd places in 4/5 events? Surely there can't be much of a fault in your racing style with results such as these?

 

FYI, I don't know Damean personally. I do think the fact that he was left out is a travesty.

I agree 100%. When I was talking about racing style I was in no way referring to Damean as he can race aggressively and still be able to podium on every race.

 

He is an all rounded rider being able to sprint and TT. And compete with the best on the hilly races as you can see with his Sa results being not on a flat course

[Irshaadmayet]

Can anybody explain why Damean Oosthuizen wasn't selected? I haven't seen or heard more from anyone else in the junior road racing scene than him. Saw an article on facebook about him, he's gotten podium at every race he's entered and on national level as well. If i remember correctly his argus time was 2:39. It doesnt make sense to me how somebody with that talent isn't there? Maybe writing matric exams in that time period, but other than that it's ridiculous to not have him there while there are other names that aren't even heard of.

 

 

Most consistent rider at our selection race with 3 second places as well as a podium at Sa champs . Mystery to me as well

[Mongoose!]

So glad Damean got selected now!

Something seems seriously wrong on the selectors side?

Maybe it should be investigated...

[Nick]

Change to Junior squad for 2016 European Tour

 

Cycling South Africa’s Road Commission announces two changes to the previously announced Junior squad that will tour Europe and participate in selected Junior European road races in preparation for the 2016 UCI Road World Championships in Doha, Qatar, from 9-16 October.

 

Damean Oosthuizen;

Louis Visser (was a non-travelling reserve, however he will now travel with the team).

European Tour Squad:

 

Junior Men

Devin Shortt

Enno Albertus Swanepoel

Damean Oosthuizen

Jason Oosthuizen

Gregory de Vink

Demarco Pillay

Daniyal Matthews

Louis Visser

 

Women

Danielle Strydom

Jessica Brown (Going to UCI WCC (SUI) for Track Camp)

Nicolene Marais

Lynette Benson

Anja Gerber (Because Jessica Brown will already be in Europe at the UCI WCC Track Camp, the opportunity presents itself to send an additional woman – Anja Gerber)

 

Dependent on the standard of the racing of the South African squad riders in the European races, a final team will be selected to compete in the 2016 UCI Road World Championships in Doha, Qatar, from 9-16 October. The number of team riders will be dependent on our Nation’s ranking prior to the World Championships.

 

Congratulations on your selection and good luck.