jcmeyerSS Posted July 4, 2016 Posted July 4, 2016 I wound be interested to hear what the "experts" opinion is on Nino's Choice of Suspension. I know why he was on a 29er but what i found interesting was that the Scott he was riding had a "Rocker-style" rear suspension as oppose to the "single pivot style" rear suspension. Especially that is found on all the standard Scott bikes including his usual race bike as well as 90% of the dual suspension field at the world champs. http://www.bikerumor.com/2016/05/30/scott-racing-teases-new-29-full-suspension-race-bike-schurter/ Thoughts?
sawystertrance Posted July 4, 2016 Posted July 4, 2016 I think all the new Scotts have this set-up. Remiscent of Giant's Maestro system
ALLMTB Posted July 4, 2016 Posted July 4, 2016 eh? It's the new Spark. Why would he ride the old Spark?
MarcBurger Posted July 4, 2016 Posted July 4, 2016 https://www.bikehub.co.za/features/_/gear/gear-news/scott-announce-all-new-spark-and-scale-bikes-r5021
Hairy Posted July 4, 2016 Posted July 4, 2016 Does the bike come in gold ...... preferably olympic gold!
'Dale Posted July 4, 2016 Posted July 4, 2016 He took gold ???? 'nuff said Surprising tech update by Scott Sexy kink in the top toob
HappyMartin Posted July 4, 2016 Posted July 4, 2016 so 90% of the field on outdated tech?Is everyone one Scott bikes then? Isn't it just Scott with this system currently?
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted July 4, 2016 Posted July 4, 2016 was riding had a "Rocker-style" rear suspension as oppose to the "single pivot style" rear suspension.Still a single pivot. It's just got a vertical shock mount rather than a horizontal, and via a linkage. I think all the new Scotts have this set-up. Remiscent of Giant's Maestro systemNo. No, it really isn't. It's still a single pivot. Just that now, it's got a rocker in-between the rear triangle and the shock and as such is described as a "linkage driven single pivot" VASTLY different suspension design to the Giants, which have a lower linkage between the rear triangle and front triangle, and was developed in conjunction with Dave Weagle. Scott rear triangle still connects directly to the front triangle, with no other link between it and the rear axle. Hence single pivot. so 90% of the field on outdated tech?Yes. Well, those on Scott, at least, as this bike has only just been launched and he's one of Scott's development riders. It's the 2017 Spark. Nino's been developing it over the past few races and weeks.
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted July 4, 2016 Posted July 4, 2016 Is everyone one Scott bikes then? Isn't it just Scott with this system currently?It's just a linkage driven single pivot design, to give them more control over the progressiveness of the suspension curve (read: Supple initial travel, more support as the suspension goes through its travel to give a good pedalling platform and prevent bottoming out)
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted July 4, 2016 Posted July 4, 2016 Scott: See - direct attachment to front triangle at lower pivot point, no extra link in rear triangle. Pivot at the top. Linkage driven single pivothttp://images.singletracks.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/spark-hero-1200x1056.pngGiant Anthem. Linkage between front and rear triangle at the bottom. No pivot IN the rear triangle. Upper linkage as well. Maestro (effectively an early DW Link) http://g01.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1Xid.JVXXXXbFXpXXq6xXFXXXg/GIANT-New-Arrival-Professional-Fashion-Frame-Apperance-Anthem-27-5-FR-font-b-MTB-b-font.jpg Specialized. Direct connection to the front triangle at the lower linkage, but a further link on the chainstays before the rear axle. Upper linkage as well. Horst Link design aka FSR aka Giddy-Up link and many more bikes use this, now that the patent has run out. http://www.sicklines.com/gallery/data/1023/Enduro-evo-ccdb-blue.jpg PYGA - Direct attachment to front triangle at main pivot point, but with extra pivot above rear axle on seat stay. Four Bar Linkage, which is essentially a fancy single pivot design as the rear axle and chainstay connect to the front triangle in a single unit and as such it has a "single pivot" dictating the trajectory of the rear wheel. Many others use this as well. http://www.racunbikes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/120-detail_1.jpg Trek: ABP / Split Pivot design - rear triangle attaches directly to front traingle at main pivot, but there's another pivot ON the rear axle (hence split pivot) and the shock is attached to both the rocker and the rear triangle in a sort of "floating" position. Essentially a very fancy single pivot due to the fact that there's no pivot between the rear wheel and the main pivot. But it's a very efficient one due to the floating nature of the shock mounting and the positioning of the main pivot (above the chainline) http://www.hargreaves-cycles.co.uk/smsimg/1/mdb-f12163_asset_337512.jpg The EVILs are ALSO a linkage driven single pivot. A very fancy one, but still a single pivot. No pivot between main pivot and rear axle, but a very convoluted (and darn sexy) linkage design to control the suspension action to Dave Weagle's liking. http://singletrackworld.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2015/01/P1270205.jpg Ibis - DW Link. Essentially another Dave Weagle Maestro-Esque design, with a linkage between the main pivot point and the rear triangle, as well as between the shock and seatstays. Loads of other bikes use this design as well (Turner, De Vinci, etc) and it's the closest to the Giant's design due to the lower linkage. http://img.ecplaza.com/my/xedapwheels/8.jpg So next time, before you say "it's just like an XYZ" - stop. Think about it for a second, and then actually LOOK at the design before making a fool of yourself. //Rant off//
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted July 4, 2016 Posted July 4, 2016 Oh. Shock position / orientation does not determine the type of suspension system a bike has (as you can see with the Ibis & Giant - very similar suspension designs, very different shock position) Scott COULD have used the same sort of rocker design that Rocky Mountain use in order to gain the same sort of characteristics, but they felt that the positioning in a vertical position (with the shock mount being close to the stiffest area of the frame) was a better option.
Vanzyl Posted July 4, 2016 Posted July 4, 2016 Scott: See - direct attachment to front triangle at lower pivot point, no extra link in rear triangle. Pivot at the top. Linkage driven single pivothttp://images.singletracks.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/spark-hero-1200x1056.pngGiant Anthem. Linkage between front and rear triangle at the bottom. No pivot IN the rear triangle. Upper linkage as well. Maestro (effectively an early DW Link) http://g01.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1Xid.JVXXXXbFXpXXq6xXFXXXg/GIANT-New-Arrival-Professional-Fashion-Frame-Apperance-Anthem-27-5-FR-font-b-MTB-b-font.jpg Specialized. Direct connection to the front triangle at the lower linkage, but a further link on the chainstays before the rear axle. Upper linkage as well. Horst Link design aka FSR aka Giddy-Up link and many more bikes use this, now that the patent has run out. http://www.sicklines.com/gallery/data/1023/Enduro-evo-ccdb-blue.jpg PYGA - Direct attachment to front triangle at main pivot point, but with extra pivot above rear axle on seat stay. Four Bar Linkage, which is essentially a fancy single pivot design as the rear axle and chainstay connect to the front triangle in a single unit and as such it has a "single pivot" dictating the trajectory of the rear wheel. Many others use this as well. http://www.racunbikes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/120-detail_1.jpg Trek: ABP / Split Pivot design - rear triangle attaches directly to front traingle at main pivot, but there's another pivot ON the rear axle (hence split pivot) and the shock is attached to both the rocker and the rear triangle in a sort of "floating" position. Essentially a very fancy single pivot due to the fact that there's no pivot between the rear wheel and the main pivot. But it's a very efficient one due to the floating nature of the shock mounting and the positioning of the main pivot (above the chainline) http://www.hargreaves-cycles.co.uk/smsimg/1/mdb-f12163_asset_337512.jpg The EVILs are ALSO a linkage driven single pivot. A very fancy one, but still a single pivot. No pivot between main pivot and rear axle, but a very convoluted (and darn sexy) linkage design to control the suspension action to Dave Weagle's liking. http://singletrackworld.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2015/01/P1270205.jpg Ibis - DW Link. Essentially another Dave Weagle Maestro-Esque design, with a linkage between the main pivot point and the rear triangle, as well as between the shock and seatstays. Loads of other bikes use this design as well (Turner, De Vinci, etc) and it's the closest to the Giant's design due to the lower linkage. http://img.ecplaza.com/my/xedapwheels/8.jpg So next time, before you say "it's just like an XYZ" - stop. Think about it for a second, and then actually LOOK at the design before making a fool of yourself. //Rant off//wow ......amazing explanation thanks
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