PPA. Don't bash them. Vote for change.

[Malpiet]

Why do road events need to be so long?, just make it multilap or crit style.. Less police, less roads affected lot cheaper.  I'm happy to go out do 50km sprint and come home.. much better than doing nothing.

 

agree and I'm all for this, but the price needs to be reflective as well

[Pure Savage]

Just wondering if 600 with slower peeps would even be possible? Seems like a different target market? Or am I wrong.

 

My folks, which are now rertired slugging their way round are now in G PPA seeding. They would do ok in the CAT3 event. The Cat 4 would cater to maybe down to S-T? 

 

Its slightly different, but with 2 events on a weekend, you would get 300-400 per event would be good. 

 

I think this is what makes it hard, so many people with equally important, different agendas. 

 

When I am older I will donate a year of my life to road cycling admin for every 1000 hub posts I have racked up.

[ThaStig]

I see the not so subtle bragging there ????

[mornevg]

How?

OP the fact that you edited your original posting is a clear sign to ordinary people that you realised you posted in haste and then adjusted the post to make it more justifiable.

 

Your original post suggested that the CEO of PPA did something wrong, when all he did was (according to your original post) was lobby people to vote. If this is true, then good for him and well done on getting people to the AGM in the first place. That's the way a democracy works.

 

I find your original post unfair to parties involved and unfair to PPA and most probably misleading in some ways, therefore you saw the need to edit it.

 

Be that as it may, there is a system set aside with regards to the EXCO of PPA, my suggestion would be take these 2 years, lobby some voters (that democracy thing again) and then if you feel things should be changed, drop your name in the hat and asked the people to vote. That way PPA will have even MORE people at the AGM.

[Skubarra]

My folks, which are now rertired slugging their way round are now in G PPA seeding. They would do ok in the CAT3 event. The Cat 4 would cater to maybe down to S-T? 

 

 

I am not really convinced that criteriums would appeal to a large portion of funriders, but we would never know unless PPA at least attempt to host one!

 

Personally, with all the schlepp & logistics involved to get to an event, 40m - 1h for an event is too short for me (even if it is a very intense hour) for a weekend event, I prefer the longer events.    

[Thor Buttox]

I am not really convinced that criteriums would appeal to a large portion of funriders, but we would never know unless PPA at least attempt to host one!

 

Personally, with all the schlepp & logistics involved to get to an event, 40m - 1h for an event is too short for me (even if it is a very intense hour) for a weekend event, I prefer the longer events.

The number of people that schlep to Killarney in traffic would be a good indication that a reasonably priced 40km training/race sprint isn't a non-starter. I think it's mostly convenience and value for money that people consider.

[Pure Savage]

I am not really convinced that criteriums would appeal to a large portion of funriders, but we would never know unless PPA at least attempt to host one!

 

Personally, with all the schlepp & logistics involved to get to an event, 40m - 1h for an event is too short for me (even if it is a very intense hour) for a weekend event, I prefer the longer events.    

 

True, but you could have a short event on same weekend as a long event. If the event was within rolling distance of front door (Which they all are for you ) Its not that bad. 

[carbon29er]

OP the fact that you edited your original posting is a clear sign to ordinary people that you realised you posted in haste and then adjusted the post to make it more justifiable.

 

 

Not in haste at all. The facts are the facts.

 

I removed it to eliminate a debate on voting procedures as this thread is about not bashing the PPA while making no effort to have an input in the make-up of the committee.

[Skubarra]

The number of people that schlep to Killarney in traffic would be a good indication that a reasonably priced 40km training/race sprint isn't a non-starter. I think it's mostly convenience and value for money that people consider.

 

I am one of those who schlep to the Killarney races regularly on wednesdays for that hour ride... 

 

If they hosted the crits on Saturday mornings (instead of the sundays) I would have been tempted to come and race and have the rest of the weekend for the long rides.

 

But like I said earlier, not sure it would have mass appeal but would be good if PPA at least give it a try.

[mornevg]

Not in haste at all. The facts are the facts.

 

I removed it to eliminate a debate on voting procedures as this thread is about not bashing the PPA while making no effort to have an input in the make-up of the committee.

Good luck to you sir. I am off to ride my MTB now. Traffic free. ????

[City Cycling Athletic Club]

be open and transparent and you wont be bashed - if you take the last ppa agm

- for the first time there were quality nominations and then Steve stepped in to change the agenda

- then tried to convince everyone present that the attendees wanted it.

- rent a crowd (who left straight after voting - very bad manners)

- the agm is held on a Wednesday which is a Killarney night - this is done on purpose - lets see what happens this year.

-the exco cant be voted out en bloc in one year - very clever ploy

other issues

-sanctioning & Lance Burger - i wonder if the good judge who ruled in the ppa favour knows that the ppa now seek sanctioning for their events from the csa - the argus , dc , 1 tonner etc etc are all now sanctioned. this after the uci stepped in and would not allow Mark Cavendish ride an unsanctioned event - the ppa learnt very quickly you cant have your cake and eat it.

 

imho the ppa road calendar will keep on shrinking because it is becoming increasingly difficult to hold mass participation events in the greater CTown. if the ppa dont elect / employ forward thinking people then the road calendar will consist of the DC, the Stellenbosch Tour and the Argus.

 

 

 

[Mntboy]

 

 

What about Somerset west? What about smaller Crit style events? West Coast? City Centre? Crit in Constania? Polkadraai? Red Hill loops?

 

These are not new ideas, these have been done recently.

 

We dont need a 150km long races every weekend, just something with safer roads and get more people riding.

Didn't the Cape Kidney race start and end in Noordhoek? Iirc it went over Black Hill, took a right at Glencairn, up and through Simon's Town through Froggy Pond, up the iconic Smitswinkel went past Gifkommetjie, a left to Scarborough on past towards Slangkop, take a twin set of rights past Ocean View back towards Fish Hoek until the traffic lights where you turned down back to Noordhoek. That's a 60k ride.

 

Definitely possible also to do crit style racing in Fish Hoek, especially near the Fish Hoek Primary School. Also could do a similar length race to the old Cape Kidney but starting and ending in Fish Hoek using potentially either the High School or Silvermine Sports fields as a venue. Although both will have hurdles to overcome. I know I'd definitely support something like that if the cost was reasonable.

 

With the Red Hill loops would you be thinking of starting that in Simon's Town or Fish Hoek? Just curious.

 

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[Mntboy]

Agreed, yeah. As for the reason besides the ones already given - I dunno. Maybe it's the traffic police not wanting to grant partial road closure. Maybe it's something else entirely. I'd love to see more local (to me) races, but yeah...

 

Even local MTB race series through Parks land. Maybe when Tokai comes back up and we get the peninsula route. That would be WICKED.

 

Also - a green belt shuffle event. That would be great.

 

But then again - MTB, not road.

I think while the M4 between Muizenberg and Fish Hoek is still under reconstruction work getting the suburbs north of Ou Kaapse Weg to have a road race is impractical, I agree. That however shouldn't mean that no road racing could happen in the southern suburbs especially the deep south, i.e. Fish Hoek south towards Cape Point and then folding north back towards Sun Valley and Noordhoek. All it's going to take is a little planning. You know, something similar to what you and the rest of Tokai MTB have pulled off with your hard work ito getting access to Tokai to rebuild the trails (which are looking sharp btw). No reason that the PPA couldn't help drive this resurrection.

 

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[Icycling]

Roadies - if you want change in the status of the drop off of PPA road event - then:

 

1. Nominate suitable people who you fell can change this in time for the AGM (think its 5 days) - they must be paid up members and present at the AGM.

 

2. Get enough people to the AGM and vote the new guys in. You must be a paid up member to vote.

 

I may go to the AGM but am no longer a paid member of PPA so I may not vote.

[Ferro]

Roadies - if you want change in the status of the drop off of PPA road event - then:

 

1. Nominate suitable people who you fell can change this in time for the AGM (think its 5 days) - they must be paid up members and present at the AGM.

 

2. Get enough people to the AGM and vote the new guys in. You must be a paid up member to vote.

 

I may go to the AGM but am no longer a paid member of PPA so I may not vote.

 

If you want to go AND you would like to vote i will give you a proxy. If that is allowed.

[carbon29er]

Proxies not accepted.

 

My feeling is that all the guys up for re-election this year who have served PPA for years will be voted off to be replaced by people even more anti road races than the guys they are replacing.