Form / Fatigue / Stress scores

[pe3nguin]

Ironically, this is where a coach would be helpful....

Hehe, funny how that works huh?

[shaper]

Gents this question has nothing to do with me VS intervals VS heavy legs VS cant ride or complete plan..believe me , if I need to do 10X Glen/Kloof tonight, with this heavy legs,I will be able to do it no problem.

 

Its got to do with the above,

 

So in theory Train in negative and race in positive , so when you reach positive, that =  should be fresher then what you are during your period in negative form.

 

So what I'm asking is, is it normal to feel heavy legs when your form indicates that you should be fresh?

 

Basically what my legs are saying and Strava saying are not the same.

 

But from answers received , legs probably just having a moody day  

 

Thx For response gents

Most likely is because you are doing an adhoc make it up training plan at the moment rather than a structured one where you are working different muscle groups and HR/Power zones.

 

Whilst what you are doing is not affecting the TSS numbers up or down much it is actually fatiguing your body/legs etc... as you are probably spending too much time in certain zones.  Hence possibly why numbers do not match what you are feeling.

 

I can often go into the -30's on form and still feel strong(ish) on a training ride, but i know it is a training ride and not a race so I put up with it, because I have a long term goal on where I need to get to with regard to fitness for a race next year.

 

And the biggest muscle I see you are fatiguing is your brain as you are looking to bail as soon as it gets tough... rather than suffer on/through ... perhaps is why you get dropped at races... maybe next time you can ask the guys to slow down because your legs are not feeling it

[Stricker]

Most likely is because you are doing an adhoc make it up training plan at the moment rather than a structured one where you are working different muscle groups and HR/Power zones.

 

Whilst what you are doing is not affecting the TSS numbers up or down much it is actually fatiguing your body/legs etc... as you are probably spending too much time in certain zones.  Hence possibly why numbers do not match what you are feeling.

 

I can often go into the -30's on form and still feel strong(ish) on a training ride, but i know it is a training ride and not a race so I put up with it, because I have a long term goal on where I need to get to with regard to fitness for a race next year.

 

And the biggest muscle I see you are fatiguing is your brain as you are looking to bail as soon as it gets tough... rather than suffer on/through ... perhaps is why you get dropped at races... maybe next time you can ask the guys to slow down because your legs are not feeling it

WOW  

 

Makes sense , thx boet

 

Seriously doubt that they will slow down when I ask them, actually now that I think about it.... most of the guys around me during that difficult time, all have their eyes close and talking to themselves.... something about staying away from that dark cloud called DROPPED behind them   :clap:  

[Veebee]

Gents this question has nothing to do with me VS intervals VS heavy legs VS cant ride or complete plan..believe me , if I need to do 10X Glen/Kloof tonight, with this heavy legs,I will be able to do it no problem.

 

Its got to do with the above,

 

So in theory Train in negative and race in positive , so when you reach positive, that =  should be fresher then what you are during your period in negative form.

 

So what I'm asking is, is it normal to feel heavy legs when your form indicates that you should be fresh?

 

Basically what my legs are saying and Strava saying are not the same.

 

But from answers received , legs probably just having a moody day  

 

Thx For response gents

 

listen to your body and not some funky strava data. Or maybe your coach...

If you went too hard then you may need an additional day to recover.

[z@z@]

Gents this question has nothing to do with me VS intervals VS heavy legs VS cant ride or complete plan..believe me , if I need to do 10X Glen/Kloof tonight, with this heavy legs,I will be able to do it no problem.

 

Its got to do with the above,

 

So in theory Train in negative and race in positive , so when you reach positive, that =  should be fresher then what you are during your period in negative form.

 

So what I'm asking is, is it normal to feel heavy legs when your form indicates that you should be fresh?

 

Basically what my legs are saying and Strava saying are not the same.

 

But from answers received , legs probably just having a moody day  

 

Thx For response gents

 

http://home.trainingpeaks.com/blog/article/what-is-the-performance-management-chart

 

It takes time to learn your PMC and you have to experiment. Each to there own, I started last season racing in the negative and loved the non fresh feeling with results , but this season I'm trying to race with a positive form way different fresh feeling . Much lower fatigue so much higher HR, always remember day-to-day stress can affect you....not getting proper sleep is the worst   

Trainer road has nice structured training plans so a coach wasn't needed just lots of experimenting, who said cycling is no fun 

 

Knowledge is power or coach is money 

 

no one knows you better then yourself.

[Frosty]

Gents this question has nothing to do with me VS intervals VS heavy legs VS cant ride or complete plan..believe me , if I need to do 10X Glen/Kloof tonight, with this heavy legs,I will be able to do it no problem.

 

Its got to do with the above,

 

So in theory Train in negative and race in positive , so when you reach positive, that =  should be fresher then what you are during your period in negative form.

 

So what I'm asking is, is it normal to feel heavy legs when your form indicates that you should be fresh?

 

Basically what my legs are saying and Strava saying are not the same.

 

But from answers received , legs probably just having a moody day  

 

Thx For response gents

Ironically, this is where a coach would be helpful....

Ironically, the person who offered (took on your R1K challenge), said the following in the other thread:

"I have sent you the relevant info, please do not ask here what is required.

 

Thanks"

 

If I were in your shoes, I would do what is told.

 

my 2c worth

['Dale]

Stricker,

 

Crucial to training harder is working harder at recovery as well

 

(A few ideas)

 

1. Foam roller

2. Stretching

3. Protein

4. L-glutamine

5. Power naps / sleep

6. Don't sit when you can lie / don't stand when you can sit

7. Low / no intensity spinning maybe later in the day after a hard session to flush the legs

8. Chocolate milk after a ride

9. A generally good eating menu

10. Is your bike fitment good?

[Blue Monster]

Before I get flamed for talking about Trainerroad again, I would just like to add my experience which is similar to Stricker.

TR follows a commonly accepted 3 week on 1 week off approach. The recovery week tends to have lower intensity threshold/sweet spot type workouts with about a 40% reduction in TSS for the week.

The next week I feel that I struggle with the warm up, and find 150W quite laborious, and uncomfortable. 5 min in I am raring to go. Legs feel great.

What I have also noticed that the week before 947 TR has a 1 hour 0.93IF 86 TSS ride planned for the Monday.

My take out is that after a lower intensity recovery period, we tend to loose the "tension" type feeling from not doing the high intensity intervals.

My take out from this is be aware of what training you have been doing and the impact it has on your body, and as was said before, never underestimate the impact of life on recovery.

[Hennie VR]

My 2-me-from-me Christmas prezzie is the WKO4 purchase - have been using Golden Cheetah and Sport Tracks, but it's so much easier working through the book "Training and racing with a power meter".

 

I can also use it to help my training buddies who are far less analytical than me. That way I get to see at least 3-4 different sets of data and see how changes affect each graph.

 

The TTF value is something to watch though.

 

 

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Where have you ordered/bought your "Training and racing with a power meter" book?

I see Takealot sells "The cyclists training bible by Joe Friel" but not "Training and racing with a power meter" (Ok they do but only in a E-Book, and I dont like those) 

 

I can get them both on Amazon but their shipping is crazy expensive! 

[Frosty]

Where have you ordered/bought your "Training and racing with a power meter" book?

I see Takealot sells "The cyclists training bible by Joe Friel" but not "Training and racing with a power meter" (Ok they do but only in a E-Book, and I dont like those) 

 

I can get them both on Amazon but their shipping is crazy expensive! 

Bought mine from Takealot - took about 2 weeks (ordered on 6-Sep, received on 21-Sep).

 

edit; here's the link 

http://www.takealot.com/training-and-racing-with-a-power-meter/PLID9181511

[Hennie VR]

Bought mine from Takealot - took about 2 weeks (ordered on 6-Sep, received on 21-Sep).

 

edit; here's the link 

http://www.takealot.com/training-and-racing-with-a-power-meter/PLID9181511

 

Thanks Gerald...........I found the book on Takealot

 

I had 2nd ed in my search and only gave me the Ebook in the result. When I removed the "2nd ed" part it gave me the paperback book in the results.

[awesme]

Also try www.loot.co.za

 

Also have

 

• Hunter Allen & Andy Coggan  is the co-author of the book Training and Racing with a Power Meter, 

https://www.amazon.com/Training-Racing-Power-Meter-2nd/dp/1934030554

 

• Joe Friel - https://www.amazon.com/Cyclists-Training-Bible-Joe-Friel/dp/1934030201/ref=pd_bxgy_14_img_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=BHSA1DY5FV8BB9CXM16B

 

Still wanna get:

 

• Joe Friel - http://www.loot.co.za/product/joe-friel-the-power-meter-handbook/fncf-1967-g730

 

G

 

Thanks Gerald...........I found the book on Takealot

 

I had 2nd ed in my search and only gave me the Ebook in the result. When I removed the "2nd ed" part it gave me the paperback book in the results.

[Hennie VR]

Also try www.loot.co.za

 

Also have

 

• Hunter Allen & Andy Coggan  is the co-author of the book Training and Racing with a Power Meter, 

https://www.amazon.com/Training-Racing-Power-Meter-2nd/dp/1934030554

 

• Joe Friel - https://www.amazon.com/Cyclists-Training-Bible-Joe-Friel/dp/1934030201/ref=pd_bxgy_14_img_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=BHSA1DY5FV8BB9CXM16B

 

Still wanna get:

 

• Joe Friel - http://www.loot.co.za/product/joe-friel-the-power-meter-handbook/fncf-1967-g730

 

G

 

Thanks awesme

 

I saw they had the book as well but I'm unfamiliar with loot.co.za and therefore did not want to take a chance. 

 

Books are ordered at Takealot. Can't wait to get reading.

[awesme]

They seem legit. 

 

Had some friend recommend them.

 

Coggan's book (Training and Racing with Power) went quick, Friel's book on the other hand is taking forever to read.

 

PS: Friel and Training Peaks are planning a trip SA side in the September/Oct time frame for workshops,

 

when I hear more will post here.

 

G

 

Thanks awesme

 

I saw they had the book as well but I'm unfamiliar with loot.co.za and therefore did not want to take a chance. 

 

Books are ordered at Takealot. Can't wait to get reading.

[shaper]

First time I read that book it gave me a headache!!... so much science and theory to understand and digest, is a lot to take in.

[awesme]

First wanna read his other book: Power Meter Handbook. 

 

got to add, got myself a subscription to TrainingPeaks, very nice, how you can use their ATP to plan a year, which then gives you weekly TSS to try and match, which I then do via TrainerRoad workouts and a weekly long Saturday ride.

 

G

 

First time I read that book it gave me a headache!!... so much science and theory to understand and digest, is a lot to take in.