jcza Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 Obvious difference between full road closure for a race vs not... But people think they can ride (in dangerous conditions) like they own the roadCan you imagine the annoyance if there is full road closure?
seven Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 Can you imagine the annoyance if there is full road closure?Easy - full road closure is PREDICTABLE, for both parties, which is exactly what you need on the road.
jcza Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 Easy - full road closure is PREDICTABLE, for both parties, which is exactly what you need on the road.Or some patience also works.
bikebloke Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 small rant on .... this thread is getting monotonous and boring reallllly boring ! if you are a "cyclist" then why are you getting on here complaining about other cyclists ?if you are motorist piss off on to a 4x4 forum and moan with your beer boep buddies who care ! and everyone please stop with the indignation about cyclists using the road "like they own it " if those cyclists where driving trucks you would wait ,so just wait (curb your privilege applies to road use also !)waiting 3 seconds to overtake ...really how important are you really ...? and stop implying that motorists wouldn't hit cyclists if we all obeyed the rules etc and then they wouldn't be angry etc - its nonsense and you know it - they hit us anyway ! this is a cycling forum ...stand up for your fellow cyclists ,rave about bikes and gear ...try be nice to other cyclists ......seriously this is why I ride alone ! bloody bunch negative mary's on here ! small rant off
Icycling Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 If you want an exercise in patience, go drive Chappies in the early morning on a weekend. Pelotons, 3 or 4 abreast, people having fat convos and completely oblivious to traffic.The scary thing is the assumption that other road users will get out your way or go around you. It's hard to argue about who was in the right or wrong when you're lying in a hospital bed.Same with the stop streets in Empire Road, Hout Bay, they're not 4 way stops, I have right of way if I drive down my street and into Empire but the number of cyclists I have to slow down for as they go flying through the stops without hesitation does my head in.As a cyclist myself, I try my hardest to accommodate for other cyclists on the road when driving but the blind faith that some cyclists have in other road users is scary.Ok let's be 100% honest here from the Noodhook side to the top for the last 2.2Km is no overtaking what so ever and a 20km/h speed limit - which at lot of even pedal power vehicles will be breaking. I personally think from Sep till April each year and on weekends Chappies should be car free till from 05h00 to 10h00 - as cars refuse to obey the speed limit. Maybe a camera installed would help I think if you 100% over the speed limit i.e. 40km/h you lose you license. Chappies given the speed limit should be the safest place to ride - but..... 8 days ago I rode up Chappies with my sister who had come from UK for the weekend amongst other things to tick this off her bucket list (think she last rode the Cape Town cycle tour in 1987) and some impatient driver who rushed past us almost taking out some Vespa riders on the other side of the road to stop to look at the look out point. I confronted him and asked if what he did was really necessary he informed me that he believe cyclist should not be allowed on Chappies and he was not doing more than 50Km/h. Then I show him the pic below from my phone he would not believe me but his mother showed him the sign just ahead which was also 20km/h. Think he may have seen my point.
Headshot Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 small rant on .... this thread is getting monotonous and boring reallllly boring ! if you are a "cyclist" then why are you getting on here complaining about other cyclists ?if you are motorist piss off on to a 4x4 forum and moan with your beer boep buddies who care ! and everyone please stop with the indignation about cyclists using the road "like they own it " if those cyclists where driving trucks you would wait ,so just wait (curb your privilege applies to road use also !)waiting 3 seconds to overtake ...really how important are you really ...? and stop implying that motorists wouldn't hit cyclists if we all obeyed the rules etc and then they wouldn't be angry etc - its nonsense and you know it - they hit us anyway ! this is a cycling forum ...stand up for your fellow cyclists ,rave about bikes and gear ...try be nice to other cyclists ......seriously this is why I ride alone ! bloody bunch negative mary's on here ! small rant off Absolutely agree. and yes, this place turns into a FB witch hunt at the drop of a hat.
HBO Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 Ok let's be 100% honest here from the Noodhook side to the top for the last 2.2Km is no overtaking what so ever and a 20km/h speed limit - which at lot of even pedal power vehicles will be breaking. I personally think from Sep till April each year and on weekends Chappies should be car free till from 05h00 to 10h00 - as cars refuse to obey the speed limit. Maybe a camera installed would help I think if you 100% over the speed limit i.e. 40km/h you lose you license. Chappies given the speed limit should be the safest place to ride - but..... 8 days ago I rode up Chappies with my sister who had come from UK for the weekend amongst other things to tick this off her bucket list (think she last rode the Cape Town cycle tour in 1987) and some impatient driver who rushed past us almost taking out some Vespa riders on the other side of the road to stop to look at the look out point. I confronted him and asked if what he did was really necessary he informed me that he believe cyclist should not be allowed on Chappies and he was not doing more than 50Km/h. Then I show him the pic below from my phone he would not believe me but his mother showed him the sign just ahead which was also 20km/h. Think he may have seen my point. I'm going to miss my sub 3 if I had to go up there at less than 20km/h. lol
Icycling Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 I'm going to miss my sub 3 if I had to go up there at less than 20km/h. lolI think I can having done 23 sub 3 including 4 sub 2h30 - on race day with full road closure - only rules of the road that apply are Cape Town cycle tour rules!
carbon29er Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 if you are a "cyclist" then why are you getting on here complaining about other cyclists ?if you are motorist piss off on to a 4x4 forum and moan with your beer boep buddies who care ! Excellent post.
carbon29er Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 I think I can having done 23 sub 3 including 4 sub 2h30 - on race day with full road closure - only rules of the road that apply are Cape Town cycle tour rules!Brag much?
Icycling Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 Brag much?Just show I have records of experience - Rob, but you know that! I only know this as Tim Brink asked me to write a piece this morning and he said I had done 23 sub 3! I hope he is correct.
carbon29er Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 Not only a braggart but a name dropper too. So it is a love hate relationship between you two then.
Patchelicious Posted November 4, 2016 Posted November 4, 2016 This was this morning in JHB. This group rode like this all the way through Linden, Emmarentia, Greenside..... We cannot do this guys, that car sat behind this group for a while, where cyclists took up 2 full lanes. I was impressed with the car patience.
lechatnoir Posted November 4, 2016 Posted November 4, 2016 Ok let's be 100% honest here from the Noodhook side to the top for the last 2.2Km is no overtaking what so ever and a 20km/h speed limit - which at lot of even pedal power vehicles will be breaking. I personally think from Sep till April each year and on weekends Chappies should be car free till from 05h00 to 10h00 - as cars refuse to obey the speed limit. Maybe a camera installed would help I think if you 100% over the speed limit i.e. 40km/h you lose you license. After all the shenanigans that's gone on in Hout Bay lately with cyclists, you will witness gunfire and arson if you tried this, as nice as it would be. In reality, there IS a way for motorists and cyclists to happily coexist. It's called patience and respect for one's self and fellow man. It's not hard and costs nothing. It makes you feel good. It makes the other person feel good, and you can't die from it and it doesn't make you fat. C'mon... how many things can you say THAT about? Sorry if I just solved the world's problems - I'm just back from a beauty pageant.
Patchelicious Posted November 4, 2016 Posted November 4, 2016 After all the shenanigans that's gone on in Hout Bay lately with cyclists, you will witness gunfire and arson if you tried this, as nice as it would be. In reality, there IS a way for motorists and cyclists to happily coexist. It's called patience and respect for one's self and fellow man. It's not hard and costs nothing. It makes you feel good. It makes the other person feel good, and you can't die from it and it doesn't make you fat. C'mon... how many things can you say THAT about? Sorry if I just solved the world's problems - I'm just back from a beauty pageant.
mtbride Posted November 4, 2016 Posted November 4, 2016 Everyone talking about patience ... but it's referring to patience for the motor vehicle users 99% of the time ... where would a cyclist ever need to have patience for a motor vehicle user? Cyclists riding all over the road is like the person in the fast lane on the highway doing 70kmph and not moving over ... sure they can do it, but why not just move over to the slower lane and spare everyone the frustration of being stuck behind a slower vehicle? It seems like the social aspect far outweighs the training side, what other reason is there for cyclists to ride next to each other and all over the road?
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