Urgent notice - "Trail Z" Tygerberg

['Dale]

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Wrong data ????

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

Pardon my ignorance, but is there any benefit, financial or otherwise for the land owners or do they allow the access entirely out of the goodness of their hearts? Just been wondering.

For Tygerberg: They get the proceeds of the day permits for the riders on their land, and in some cases a small monthly income from the club for the use of their land. It varies from farm to farm.

 

In the case of Trail Z (Welvergenoegd) they get a cut of the Hoogekraal day permits cos the trail is only accessible from Hoogekraal

 

Other trail networks will have different arrangements depending on their attitude towards MTB and their previous experiences thereof.

 

Kliprug, I'd imagine, would require a substantially higher fee for the use of their trail, thanks to previous infractions, before they reopened to MTB

['Dale]

They get the proceeds of the day permits for the riders on their land, and in some cases a small monthly income from the club for the use of their land. It varies from farm to farm.

 

In the case of Trail Z (Welvergenoegd) they get a cut of the Hoogekraal day permits cos the trail is only accessible from Hoogekraal

Oh okay

That's cool

Still generous in spirit to share their space

[GLuvsMtb]

Most of the trail parks here are on private land. The spruit is public but I'm not sure of how many more other than those secret spot that are kept away from the public. On the point of monies spent on trails... We all know trails ain free. Why would it be any different here? So back to my orginal statement. What is it with residents of the western cape rough riding? I seem to have trampled on some toes here maar dis waar.

If you don't understand what the difference between a working farm and a trail park is, I can't help you.

[Patchelicious]

[MTBeer]

If you don't understand what the difference between a working farm and a trail park is, I can't help you.

Formallyknownas is wound up a bit tight. Must be a Joburg thing. (sarcasm font for the benefit of Formallyknownas)

 

That wooshing sound is the banter flying straight over his head.

[flymango]

Most of the trail parks here are on private land. The spruit is public but I'm not sure of how many more other than those secret spot that are kept away from the public. On the point of monies spent on trails... We all know trails ain free. Why would it be any different here? So back to my orginal statement. What is it with residents of the western cape rough riding? I seem to have trampled on some toes here maar dis waar.

 

In a more positive spirit, maybe you can share why you think it isn't a problem in Gauteng, so that the TBMTB can learn from best practice and try and apply it to their trails.

 

See my post #33 above.

 

The whole trail area is within and around numerous and vast residential areas and is literally accessible from the front door of thousands of people. I speak under correction, but there's over 60 km of inter-linked trails.

[Formallyknownas]

If you don't understand what the difference between a working farm and a trail park is, I can't help you.

Facepalm. You clearly have zero idea what you are talking about.

[Formallyknownas]

In a more positive spirit, maybe you can share why you think it isn't a problem in Gauteng, so that the TBMTB can learn from best practice and try and apply it to their trails.

 

See my post #33 above.

 

The whole trail area is within and around numerous and vast residential areas and is literally accessible from the front door of thousands of people. I speak under correction, but there's over 60 km of inter-linked trails.

I don't have the answers. I was merely pointing out that these occurrences seem to be frequent in the WC.

[Formallyknownas]

Formallyknownas is wound up a bit tight. Must be a Joburg thing. (sarcasm font for the benefit of Formallyknownas)

 

That wooshing sound is the banter flying straight over his head.

I'm super chilled man.

 

I think you've missed what I'm trying to understand. But anyhoo, as you were.

[Wannabe]

In a more positive spirit, maybe you can share why you think it isn't a problem in Gauteng, so that the TBMTB can learn from best practice and try and apply it to their trails.

 

See my post #33 above.

 

The whole trail area is within and around numerous and vast residential areas and is literally accessible from the front door of thousands of people. I speak under correction, but there's over 60 km of inter-linked trails.

 

 

Ag he is just "suurtiet" (as some "famous" Ex Hubber would have said) that they do not have the pristine areas we have to ride in.

Areas that we fervently guard, as we know it is a hard earned privilege to ride there, not a right.

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

I don't have the answers. I was merely pointing out that these occurrences seem to be frequent in the WC.

Maybe we're just more vocal regarding them. 

[Formallyknownas]

Maybe we're just more vocal regarding them.

Thank you for actually thinking about my statement and furthering the discussion l instead of getting defensive. Get yourself a Dimple.

[Danger Dassie]

Probably because the overwhelming majority of trails are on private land or land with entry restrictions imposed on them, and we are particularly sensitive to the potential loss thereof due to the inconsiderate actions of a few. Very different to up north where there are more open spaces and public dirt roads and trails

 

This an often incorrect perception. The vast majority of trails up here are on private land, and actually not as many dirt roads as people think, also there aren't really that many public spaces other than perhaps the Spruit. 

Actually I've managed to loop in bigger dirt road loops in other parts of the country than compared to up here. 

 

What we don't have as much of up here (Gauteng/bordering areas) is forestry (common in KZN, Mpumalanga and WC) or national parks areas. A lot of the riding is through farm land, small holdings, private land designated for recreation/conservation or development. Or a combination therof.  

 

There's definately issues with rogue riding, Richard Beswick from Avianto Trails can attest to that, or Eric from van Gaalen.

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

This an often incorrect perception. The vast majority of trails up here are on private land, and actually not as many dirt roads as people think, also there aren't really that many public spaces other than perhaps the Spruit. 

Actually I've managed to loop in bigger dirt road loops in other parts of the country than compared to up here. 

 

What we don't have as much of up here (Gauteng/bordering areas) is forestry (common in KZN, Mpumalanga and WC) or national parks areas. A lot of the riding is through farm land, small holdings, private land designated for recreation/conservation or development. Or a combination therof.  

 

There's definately issues with rogue riding, Richard Beswick from Avianto Trails can attest to that, or Eric from van Gaalen.

Noted... :-)

[flymango]

I don't have the answers. I was merely pointing out that these occurrences seem to be frequent in the WC.

 

I don't know if the private trails in Gauteng traverse multiple land owners, but they certainly do on the TBMTB trails (again, I speak under correction but there are about 9 farms I can think of). This is private property we're talking about, and in most (all?) instances we're talking about commercially operating farms (wine, wheat, canola and cattle). For these farmers, land access and security is of key concern to them. They are actively present on their properties every day of the year from sunrise to sunset, and live there by night. They are acutely aware of what's going on on their properties. Maybe it's different on your trails in that there's less likelihood of rogue riders (smaller feeder system with more remote access) and even if there are, land owners are less likely to pick it up if they're not living and working on the same private land.

 

Maybe we are a bit sensitive about this, but the trails are an asset which affords us a lifestyle we are proud of, but which can be taken away by the stroke of a pen and locking up of a gate.