Bicycle licence fees

[Guest ToxicD]

But I'm pretty certain a judge can find you negligent or partially at the very least to blame if found to ride with such device.

 

Wouldn't it be the same then when fiddling with your watch while riding or your lap times on the Garmin?

 

Very Subjective in my opinion

[Pah Bear]

Wouldn't it be the same then when fiddling with your watch while riding or your lap times on the Garmin?

 

Very Subjective in my opinion

Any action you do, lawful or not, without first checking if it's safe to do so can be regarded as negligent if it directly or indirectly leads to an accident.

 

When you wear earphones and then don't hear a car approaching, even when the car is 100% in the wrong, you could be seen as having indirectly contributed to the incident.

 

The reality is that even if your ear phone wearing behaviour did not contribute to the incident, because as many would say "it does not affect my hearing at all" a court (or general opinion) could find it a contributory factor resulting in cause and effect being split percentage wise iso you being 100% in the right.

[Quagga]

Any action you do, lawful or not, without first checking if it's safe to do so can be regarded as negligent if it directly or indirectly leads to an accident.

 

When you wear earphones and then don't hear a car approaching, even when the car is 100% in the wrong, you could be seen as having indirectly contributed to the incident.

 

The reality is that even if your ear phone wearing behaviour did not contribute to the incident, because as many would say "it does not affect my hearing at all" a court (or general opinion) could find it a contributory factor resulting in cause and effect being split percentage wise iso you being 100% in the right.

 

This is a rule I dont understand, cyclist are now allowed to wear earphones but any car can have their music so loud that 3 cars behind them can not hear themself think.

 

Are they saying that you should be able to hear a car or a emergency behecle? 

 

And what about deaf people, are they not allowed to ride?

[Skubarra]

 

And what about deaf people, are they not allowed to ride?

 

In many countries deaf people aren't allowed to drive, but that is probably a different discussion...

[bikebloke]

This is a rule I dont understand, cyclist are now allowed to wear earphones but any car can have their music so loud that 3 cars behind them can not hear themself think.

 

Are they saying that you should be able to hear a car or a emergency behecle? 

 

And what about deaf people, are they not allowed to ride?

and lets not get into the car drivers wearing headphones and apple ear buds and such

[carbon29er]

Are you sure about that carbon?

 

Cycles aren't classified under the same laws as it is not propelled by a motor.Vehicle classifications for cycling is the same a jogging and walking.

 

When looking at the "vehicle" classifications the 1st classification is Class 1 that's a Motorcycle. I am not arguing. I am asking cause it it seems highly unlikely.

 

 

 

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Ok so if a cycle is classified as a vehicle and should adhere to all rules as afforded under law as a motor vehicle then should you not be able to use the road as any other vehicle should and be afforded to be passed "BY CHANGING LANES" as you would any other vehicle once it is "SAFE" to do so ?

100% sure. As you are a vehicle you are legally entitled to ride on any road except a freeway. And you are entitled to your lane. Of course common sense dictates you stay in the left lane unless turning right.

[Bateleur1]

and lets not get into the car drivers wearing headphones and apple ear buds and such

 

While you are at it, car sound systems should then not be allowed to play to loud as well.

[carbon29er]

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k*k the other riders out who are not obeying the rules of the road.

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As motorists would we do the same to motorists we see flagrantly breaking the law? Speeding? Driving dangerously? Jumping a red light? Parking in a disabled parking spot? Or someone double parking, or on a red line?

[Pah Bear]

This is a rule I dont understand, cyclist are now allowed to wear earphones but any car can have their music so loud that 3 cars behind them can not hear themself think.

 

Are they saying that you should be able to hear a car or a emergency behecle? 

 

And what about deaf people, are they not allowed to ride?

There we go again. Just because drivers have their music so loud you can hear them does not make it right. And the same argument would apply in their case. Not difficult to understand at all. 

[coppi]

I see this is turning into the new " helmet" thread........far too many "clever "individuals on here [emoji849]

 

 

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[carbon29er]

I disagree, motorists think we are a bunch of law ignoring hooligans because often we are, not because we don't stick together. Changing our behaviour would be far more effective in changing perceptions.

 

 

 

This is exactly why I stick to traffic rules even when its "safe" for me to break them, it's not because I'm some sucker for rules but selfishly & hypocritically I want to be seen obeying the rules. A motorist seeing a cyclist approaching a red probably expect him to break the rule 50% of the time(?) If say 4 of the next 5 he sees make the effort to stop at the red light he might feel a bit more positive  about cyclists and act more considerate in my vicinity next time he passes me.

 

Certainly a fairly weak way to try and influence motorists but it is the only way I have. So in my mind it is not only your risk if you cross a red light in full sight of a motorist when he now behave more antagonistic towards me as a fellow cyclist,

Weak ways is all we have.

 

I almost never jump a red. Occasionally I will roll a little early through 1 or 2 specific lights after stopping like Dido Valley Road IF there are no vehicles coming out of the road onto Main Rd. I will sometimes keep rolling, but slow down, where there is no traffic on a T-Junction where I am on the solid pavement side, as in Camps Bay and a few in Sea Point in the very early mornings.

 

And if I go through Sun Valley past the church to Fish Hoek or Empire or Disa River Road I rarely stop at all the stops IF there are no cars crossing.

 

I will ride 2 abreast when there is a big yellow lined shoulder or the road is very wide with low traffic volumes. Sections of Chappies, the Victoria Rd past 12 Apostles, Cape Point.  But never in traffic or on narrow roads.

 

But that's the limit of my transgressions.

 

Do I swear and wave my fist or the bird when hooted at. No. I wave politely and smile. Far more effective.

 

Do these transgressions of the law make me a hypocrite and a bad role model and justify motorists buzzing cyclists? That is the real question.

[Patchelicious]

Weak ways is all we have.

 

I almost never jump a red. Occasionally I will roll a little early through 1 or 2 specific lights after stopping like Dido Valley Road IF there are no vehicles coming out of the road onto Main Rd. I will sometimes keep rolling, but slow down, where there is no traffic on a T-Junction where I am on the solid pavement side, as in Camps Bay and a few in Sea Point in the very early mornings.

 

And if I go through Sun Valley past the church to Fish Hoek or Empire or Disa River Road I rarely stop at all the stops IF there are no cars crossing.

 

I will ride 2 abreast when there is a big yellow lined shoulder or the road is very wide with low traffic volumes. Sections of Chappies, the Victoria Rd past 12 Apostles, Cape Point. But never in traffic or on narrow roads.

 

But that's the limit of my transgressions.

 

Do I swear and wave my fist or the bird when hooted at. No. I wave politely and smile. Far more effective.

 

Do these transgressions of the law make me a hypocrite and a bad role model and justify motorists buzzing cyclists? That is the real question.

That's you, and you have a level of respect for cycling greater than most.

 

Problem is the other 95% that we're trying to win long drive trophies and fudging their handicaps this time last year.

[Patchelicious]

I see this is turning into the new " helmet" thread........far too many "clever "individuals on here [emoji849]

 

 

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So add something clever then?

[Patchelicious]

As motorists would we do the same to motorists we see flagrantly breaking the law? Speeding? Driving dangerously? Jumping a red light? Parking in a disabled parking spot? Or someone double parking, or on a red line?

We should.

[Mojoman]

Driver education at schools would go a long way to reduce the problems here on our roads....that's what I think anyway.

[allstar scott]

Perhaps the OP did get a bit right. Something definitely needs to be done. But I think he picked up the wrong side of the stick. Instead of passing laws to make cyclists pay for licences, maybe what is needed, is a law to force motorists to ride a bicycle twice a week. That will learn them.

Back in the day when I got my bike and car licences, my Dad said, the most important rule of the road is ' Respect other road users..and they will respect you.'

 

Not sure what happened to that.