Short Travel Trail Bike

[Pikey]

yeah it does. Buuuut... angleset and a 140 will ease that lifting on the climbs...

 

to be honest am happy with the 130 on the front is the perfect amount of travel for that bike. I just want slacker . What would the angleset slacken it to or should I say by how much . I must check what it is sitting at at now with the 130 fork on. Probably about 69,6 or so at a guess?

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

to be honest am happy with the 130 on the front is the perfect amount of travel. I just want slacker . What would the angleset slacken it to or should I say by how much . I must check what it is sitting at at now with the 130 fork on. Probably about 69,6 or so at a guess?

up to 1.5deg. 

[T-Bob]

I've been looking at this to slack out my current ride a bit. 

 

https://www.offsetbushings.com

[tcarthew]

up to 1.5deg. 

Excuse my ignorance, but what is angleset? 

 

I must say, I have learnt quite a bit from this thread so far! What Rudi-H said makes great sense & it's the realisation I'm coming to. It's about the head angle really, then what the geometry can support.

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

Excuse my ignorance, but what is angleset? 

 

I must say, I have learnt quite a bit from this thread so far! What Rudi-H said makes great sense & it's the realisation I'm coming to. It's about the head angle really, then what the geometry can support.

it's a headset that lets you adjust the head angle by anywhere between 0.5deg & 2deg depending on the type of angleset you get. 

 

Effectively, instead of having the bottom cup sit smack bang in the middle of the headtube, it's offset to the front or back of the head tube, which gives you a steeper or slacker head angle depending on how you put it in. 

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

Excuse my ignorance, but what is angleset? 

 

I must say, I have learnt quite a bit from this thread so far! What Rudi-H said makes great sense & it's the realisation I'm coming to. It's about the head angle really, then what the geometry can support.

it's a headset that lets you adjust the head angle by anywhere between 0.5deg & 2deg depending on the type of angleset you get. 

 

Effectively, instead of having the bottom cup sit smack bang in the middle of the headtube, it's offset to the front or back of the head tube, which gives you a steeper or slacker head angle depending on how you put it in. 

[NicoBoshoff]

Surely just using the angleset won't result in lifting the front.  That's the extra travel causing the front to sit too high.  Too slack will rather case the front wheel to wander on steep or tech climbs, but again, that could be sorted by some other adjustments.

 

Also, what's the current HA and what do you want it to be Pikey?  I'm riding a 67.5' 160mm 29'er and I can't see myself wanting to go slacker.

 

I'll just source a 650b yolk one day if I want to go to the Alps again.  That'll slacken it out to just below 67', which is plenty slack.

[Odinson]

Surely just using the angleset won't result in lifting the front.  That's the extra travel causing the front to sit too high.  Too slack will rather case the front wheel to wander on steep or tech climbs, but again, that could be sorted by some other adjustments.

 

Also, what's the current HA and what do you want it to be Pikey?  I'm riding a 67.5' 160mm 29'er and I can't see myself wanting to go slacker.

 

I'll just source a 650b yolk one day if I want to go to the Alps again.  That'll slacken it out to just below 67', which is plenty slack.

 

A bike's geometry on the whole determines how it will climb, not just the head angle.

 

I'm rocking a 65° HA and the only time I can't make it up a climb is when my legs give in. The front end doesn't wander. Technique also plays a big role in working a bike up the climbs.

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

Surely just using the angleset won't result in lifting the front.  That's the extra travel causing the front to sit too high.  Too slack will rather case the front wheel to wander on steep or tech climbs, but again, that could be sorted by some other adjustments.

 

 

Yeah. Bigger fork will lift the front end, and unless you drop the bars the front end may be a tad too light. 

 

Angleset will slacken the HA, but also drop the front end somewhat mitigating the wandery effect a slacker HA. Moving bars higher will mitigate that a bit. 

 

Angleset AND bigger fork will counteract each other ito stack height, resulting in a bar height pretty much the same as before but with a beefier fork & slacker HA & longer wheelbase, without having to adjust bar height.

 

If his HA is currently at 69.8 then a 1.5 deg adjustment could do wonders. 

[Pikey]

I'm guessing current headangle . It's 70,3 with a 120 . So extra 10 mm 0,5 ???

 

140 mm made it lift and wander all over the show when climbing in the rocks. Regardless of how forward I got or how low I put the bar. Even put a flat sweep bar on and slammed the stem down but it was still vague on the front when going up. Down was great don't get me wrong ✊️.

 

I presumed I had reached the limits of the bike of what for my capabilities where able to make it do with 140. Amazingly with 130 it is just so planted everywhere . Up ,down in the corners ,roots ,rocks it's brilliant.

 

But I want more to do same riding with more comfort basically . 135 rear &. 140 front is where I have settled .

[NicoBoshoff]

A bike's geometry on the whole determines how it will climb, not just the head angle.

 

I'm rocking a 65° HA and the only time I can't make it up a climb is when my legs give in. The front end doesn't wander. Technique also plays a big role in working a bike up the climbs.

Yes, I was referring to his question re anglesets in respect of his bike in particular, which he wanted to slacken but experienced issues with a longer fork. 

[NicoBoshoff]

I'm guessing current headangle . It's 70,3 with a 120 . So extra 10 mm 0,5 ???

 

140 mm made it lift and wander all over the show when climbing in the rocks. Regardless of how forward I got or how low I put the bar. Even put a flat sweep bar on and slammed the stem down but it was still vague on the front when going up. Down was great don't get me wrong ✊️.

 

I presumed I had reached the limits of the bike of what for my capabilities where able to make it do with 140. Amazingly with 130 it is just so planted everywhere . Up ,down in the corners ,roots ,rocks it's brilliant.

 

But I want more to do same riding with more comfort basically . 135 rear &. 140 front is where I have settled .

Ja, that's quite steep.  Personally I think anything in the 66-68 range in South Africa is lekker.

 

Europe, probably 65-67, but I took my Stumpy to France and Switzerland with a 68.5 HA and I survived with a smile on my face.

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

I'm guessing current headangle . It's 70,3 with a 120 . So extra 10 mm 0,5 ???

 

140 mm made it lift and wander all over the show when climbing in the rocks. Regardless of how forward I got or how low I put the bar. Even put a flat sweep bar on and slammed the stem down but it was still vague on the front when going up. Down was great don't get me wrong ✊️.

 

I presumed I had reached the limits of the bike of what for my capabilities where able to make it do with 140. Amazingly with 130 it is just so planted everywhere . Up ,down in the corners ,roots ,rocks it's brilliant.

 

But I want more to do same riding with more comfort basically . 135 rear &. 140 front is where I have settled .

Cool. I know that once YOU have that itch, it won't get scratched without buying another bike

[NicoBoshoff]

Lucky for you there are endless options in that 120-140mm range.  So many sorted rigs to choose from.

[nox1111]

Cool. I know that once YOU have that itch, it won't get scratched without buying another bike

As I know Pikey by now from his bike history - he probably already has, but wants "external justification"

[PhilipV]

If I was in the market now, this would be hard to resist