Serious Panda Posted May 17, 2017 Share People generally drive like crap, are impatient, and have disregard for traffic laws. But these are accidents, no driver runs a cyclist over because they don`t like cyclists or have a bad attitude towards cyclists. The mind of the driver is naturally tuned in to look for threats on the road = other cars and trucks. A cyclist is not a threat to the car/truck driver and is small in comparison therefor much more likely not to be seen. Edit: Except maybe for the 1 recent case in Somerset West where it seems a driver purposefully knocked a cyclist over. Edited May 17, 2017 by Qwerty123 Mamil and Pretorim 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted May 18, 2017 Share People generally drive like crap, are impatient, and have disregard for traffic laws. But these are accidents, no driver runs a cyclist over because they don`t like cyclists or have a bad attitude towards cyclists. The mind of the driver is naturally tuned in to look for threats on the road = other cars and trucks. A cyclist is not a threat to the car/truck driver and is small in comparison therefor much more likely not to be seen. Edit: Except maybe for the 1 recent case in Somerset West where it seems a driver purposefully knocked a cyclist over.I agree with your post RE people driving poorly ... but I do not agree that the actions as described can be called "accidents". Speeding, reckless driving, jumping a stop sign or red light and hitting a pedestrian / cyclist / another vehicle is certainly no accident, and should never be treated so by their insurance companies or by the law if there is legal action to be taken. Recklessness is intentional. An accident is if you are driving within the legal framework and something happens outside of your control causing a collision. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/accident Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure Savage Posted May 18, 2017 Share The city does not want you to cycle safely in lanes... Go play in the traffic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted May 18, 2017 Share I see a guy trying very hard, but failing, to be the Assos Man. Pure Savage and carbon29er 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted May 18, 2017 Share I see a guy trying very hard, but failing, to be the Assos Man.you are right ... if he shaves his chest, tummy and "down-under-where-the-sun-don't-shine" he would then qualify! Patchelicious 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serious Panda Posted May 18, 2017 Share I agree with your post RE people driving poorly ... but I do not agree that the actions as described can be called "accidents". Speeding, reckless driving, jumping a stop sign or red light and hitting a pedestrian / cyclist / another vehicle is certainly no accident, and should never be treated so by their insurance companies or by the law if there is legal action to be taken. Recklessness is intentional. An accident is if you are driving within the legal framework and something happens outside of your control causing a collision. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/accident Usually for it not to be an accident there has to be intention. Like Burry`s accident, the taxi driver broke a traffic law and was reckless, yet it was still an accident. But I agree that a drunk driver hitting a cyclist is not an accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted May 18, 2017 Share Usually for it not to be an accident there has to be intention. Like Burry`s accident, the taxi driver broke a traffic law and was reckless, yet it was still an accident. But I agree that a drunk driver hitting a cyclist is not an accident.How would negligence fit into the picture. I am assuming jumping a red light / stop street / definitely speeding would fall under negligent driving and certainly breaking the law? Asking as I am really interested and not wanting to start a Friday thread. Bernard Horn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serious Panda Posted May 18, 2017 Share How would negligence fit into the picture. I am assuming jumping a red light / stop street / definitely speeding would fall under negligent driving and certainly breaking the law? Asking as I am really interested and not wanting to start a Friday thread. These are traffic offenses and not criminal offenses (except for speeding I think, which is criminal if it is a lot above the limit - I`m not 100% sure). Many cyclists get hit without any traffic offense, many get hit with a minor traffic offense, many get hit with a criminal traffic offense. In all these cases there is no intention to hit the cyclist and the law seems very lenient towards the driver. What makes this a lot worse is the fact that law enforcement on the roads are so bad as well as the fact that most traffic offenses goes unpunished even when the driver is caught. Hairy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted May 18, 2017 Share These are traffic offenses and not criminal offenses (except for speeding I think, which is criminal if it is a lot above the limit - I`m not 100% sure). Many cyclists get hit without any traffic offense, many get hit with a minor traffic offense, many get hit with a criminal traffic offense. In all these cases there is no intention to hit the cyclist and the law seems very lenient towards the driver. What makes this a lot worse is the fact that law enforcement on the roads are so bad as well as the fact that most traffic offenses goes unpunished even when the driver is caught.pity one could not argue the fact that if you willy nilly fire a gun in public, not aiming it at anyone, or with the intention to harm ...... and someone gets hit ... well then it is an accident? that is the way my mind is working currently on this topic. Bateleur1 and Patchelicious 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted May 18, 2017 Share pity one could not argue the fact that if you willy nilly fire a gun in public, not aiming it at anyone, or with the intention to harm ...... and someone gets hit ... well then it is an accident? that is the way my mind is working currently on this topic.Like that short guy in his bathroom? He also said it was an accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted May 18, 2017 Share Like that short guy in his bathroom? He also said it was an accident.you lost me there TPN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisF Posted May 18, 2017 Share Thanks for trying. Hairy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatman Posted May 18, 2017 Share you lost me thereOscar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted May 19, 2017 Share Oscar.LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbon29er Posted May 19, 2017 Share Like that short guy in his bathroom? He also said it was an accident. you lost me thereAll four shots were accidental.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allrounder Posted August 2, 2017 Share n the Koos Roux case (the cyclist killed on Bottelary Rd in May 2013), we have finally reached the end of the road. Geoffrey Merrick was found guilty on four charges, culpable homicide being the main one. Sentencing takes place on 22 August and we are hoping for a harsh sentence. The PPA Office will be at the Kuilsrivier court for the sentencing and you are welcome to join us as we stage a silent protest. Please attend!! mikkelz, Patchelicious, johannrissik and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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