Jasond86 Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 Can anyone please explain to me the PPA seeding process, I can't seem to move up from D, i have finished in the top 10 of Group D for the last few races, in the last two sportiffs, I have seen the same guys in my group at the top aswell. It's becoming frustrating as there are the same 5 guys pulling infront the whole race, we all break away with max 12 guys left in group but seeding doesn't change. It doesn't make sense with the amount of guys we are catching in group B and C
Pure Savage Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 Can anyone please explain to me the PPA seeding process, I can't seem to move up from D, i have finished in the top 10 of Group D for the last few races, in the last two sportiffs, I have seen the same guys in my group at the top aswell. It's becoming frustrating as there are the same 5 guys pulling infront the whole race, we all break away with max 12 guys left in group but seeding doesn't change. It doesn't make sense with the amount of guys we are catching in group B and C You get indexed against the winners and the field you compete against. Therefore if the field is "weaker" than normal the winners time get adjusted. So it does not really matter where you place in the group at all. More about the overall time of the group. I feel the seeding has been working well these past few events. Lets look at the race this weekend, I rode in A, we were 10 minutes slower than Cat 1, probably as we the group sat behind a tandem for a long part of the head wind section. Last week, we were only 5 minutes slower. The index I got for this race was 11, enough for a B seeding, which is fair. I see the D group was a further 15 minutes slower than the A bunch, which places that around the D-G expected index. The only way to really improve the seeding to A is for a few of those riders that are doing all the work to leave the hanger oners and finish only 10 minutes behind A. Thereby getting a C seeding hopefully. This is what I did over 4 years to get to A. My brother took 5 years to get his A a few weeks ago. There are threads explaining the actual mathematical regression behind it but I dont think thats what you are worried about.
Jasond86 Posted October 2, 2017 Author Posted October 2, 2017 Ok thx makes sense, will keep at it. ????
Pure Savage Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 Ok thx makes sense, will keep at it. ????Another top tip, make the most of events like 99er and Die Burger where you do not use the PPA seeding, the groups are larger, so you will be racing with guys that are faster than you normally. The trick is to stay with the front of that group. Here is a screen shot of my jump to A. Did not bore you with 2008 to 2013
Karman de Lange Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 Stop pulling so much and start to wheel suck and brake away last 10km. o wait, that not very PC
Pure Savage Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 Stop pulling so much and start to wheel suck and brake away last 10km. o wait, that not very PC10km! Are you crazy, its the sprint to the line that counts, so 85m MAX!
Escapee.. Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 10km! Are you crazy, its the sprint to the line that counts, so 85m MAX! Worked pretty well for the World Champ..
Pure Savage Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 Worked pretty well for the World Champ..In this instance the world champ already had his A seeding. If he pulled the same move his whole life he would still be in D batch riding Sportif's.
thisismyotherbike Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 Another top tip, make the most of events like 99er and Die Burger where you do not use the PPA seeding, the groups are larger, so you will be racing with guys that are faster than you normally. The trick is to stay with the front of that group. Here is a screen shot of my jump to A. L to A.JPG Did not bore you with 2008 to 2013 This is good advice, I made a major jump by riding an ASG event. They maintain their own seeding system (just remember to update your own seeding, it's a manual process!). You end up riding with a totally different crowd to the usual, I clung on for dear life and jumped two groups. Working your way up through PPA events in the higher batches will take significantly longer because you'll always be with the same guys and achieve close to the same indexes, partially because those twelve guys riding together actually end up affecting the regression. It gives you a shot at changing your index, not a certainty. You may end up being one of the poor souls from higher batches that ended up pulling me into a stronger seeding
Karman de Lange Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 Can anyone please explain to me the PPA seeding process, I can't seem to move up from D, i have finished in the top 10 of Group D for the last few races, in the last two sportiffs, I have seen the same guys in my group at the top aswell. It's becoming frustrating as there are the same 5 guys pulling infront the whole race, we all break away with max 12 guys left in group but seeding doesn't change. It doesn't make sense with the amount of guys we are catching in group B and CWhere you in D batch this weekend?
andydude Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 Where you in D batch this weekend?Were you Karman? I was Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk
Karman de Lange Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 Were you Karman? I was Sent from my SM-G950F using TapatalkSemi, im in F Reason I was asking is that all us slow pokes were commenting on the sedate pace at the start, My heart rate barely got out of z2 in first 20km.... Then two gentlemen decided to get to know each other better and group split.. Six or 7 (did not count) E/F guys and lady managed to chase the pack down again over next 15km.. So what I'm trying to say is, The D guys for some reason at moment are not that fast, they even got caught at west coast express by H batch I think.... .........
andydude Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 Semi, im in F Reason I was asking is that all us slow pokes were commenting on the sedate pace at the start, My heart rate barely got out of z2 in first 20km.... Then two gentlemen decided to get to know each other better and group split.. Six or 7 (did not count) E/F guys and lady managed to chased the pack down again over next 15km.. So what I'm trying to say is, The D guys for some reason at moment are not that fast, they even got caught at west coast express by H batch I think.... ......... Nice! So we rode together The first hour in D-F was about 37km so not tooo slow. We only finished with 8 guys I think. West Coast was kind of special in the sense of yes D was playing around, but also there were two strong trains in H, namely Outriders and Sportsworld, which teamed up and did a good pace line.
rudi-h Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 some events also carry more weight... if you ride a 2h45 to 2h50 in the 94.7 or sub 3h05 CTCT for two or three races back to back you should get an A seeding, without even riding a single other race the whole season.
Pure Savage Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 some events also carry more weight... if you ride a 2h45 to 2h50 in the 94.7 or sub 3h05 CTCT for two or three races back to back you should get an A seeding, without even riding a single other race the whole season.That no longer applies now that there is no more average of three seedings any more for smaller events. Everyone gets the same aging penalty. Except for DC, they see that as a team event which is easy, so don't allow that for seeding, which is dumb.
J Wakefield Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 The problem with the seeding currently is that anyone is able to get a A seeding.
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