Homeschoolers Not Welcome at Spur MTB League

[PhilipV]

And WHAT?! Lose the sponsorship all together?! We need to think further than our noses people.

 

 

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This.

People please, be lekker.

Spur sponsor the race series.

They don't organise it, they don't make the rules, they give an agreed upon amount of money to the organization and in return they get their name in the title and other ways of exposure.

 

Besides, if we take the amount of Bikehubbers that choose to boikot spur based on this thread, it probably is a drop in the bucket of total spur sales. So shouting "Boikot Spur" is making some noise, but irs a little noise in a tiny part of the forest.

[Skubarra]

Live within your reality . Do not expect the world to change rules to accommodate your decisions, thats not how it works.

 

Respect Rules .

 

In this country we seem to be creating a culture of entitlement. People seem to feel they have a right to anything they please but no it does not work like that .

If you fall outside the rule , respect it and move on .

 

 

(Like Jewbacca also pointed out), if we are all just passive slaves to rules we would still have things like slavery and apartheid thriving (those were also just rules)

 

There is nothing wrong with challenging rules if they are discriminatory and unfair.

[PygaSchmyga]

This.

People please, be lekker.

Spur sponsor the race series.

They don't organise it, they don't make the rules, they give an agreed upon amount of money to the organization and in return they get their name in the title and other ways of exposure.

 

Besides, if we take the amount of Bikehubbers that choose to boikot spur based on this thread, it probably is a drop in the bucket of total spur sales. So shouting "Boikot Spur" is making some noise, but irs a little noise in a tiny part of the forest.

 

And as the facts emerge, this baying mob who are signing petitions in a circle-jerk of self congratulatory righteous indigence screaming for Spur to fall will then turn and cry like babies when Spur bails on sponsoring kids MTB, decrying the lack of youth development in the sport.  You lot need to grow up.  Is there any mature and cognitive debate left in the world?

[PygaSchmyga]

(Like Jewbacca also pointed out), if we are all just passive slaves to rules we would still have things like slavery and apartheid thriving (those were also just rules)

 

There is nothing wrong with challenging rules if they are discriminatory and unfair.

Not sure how rubbishing Spur, while wallowing in unadulterated ignorant bliss equates to challenging slavery and apartheid - I think you give yourself WAY too much credit

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

Not sure how rubbishing Spur, while wallowing in unadulterated ignorant bliss equates to challenging slavery and apartheid - I think you give yourself WAY too much credit

Wasn't referring to SPUR, he was referring to challenging the rules... 

[NickGM]

 

Here are some of the rules - it all sounds reasonable and fair - no need to be putting Spur out of business and scuttling the league just yet...

 

• Under the schools act, home-schools are not defined as a school and therefore cannot represent a school in the League
• Home-school riders are permitted to participate in the following regions as per the agreed regional bylaws due to historical reasons and re-alignment of League structures: Eastern Cape (Port Elizabeth, East London), Mpumalanga, Limpopo, Free State, Southern Cape, Western Cape, Kwazulu Natal, Northern Cape
• Home-school riders may not represent a school and/or wear the school kit even if registered for sport at the school
• All riders that are not representing a bona fide school will be seen as “ghost riders” and will not be seeded, awarded points or qualify to podium
• A rider that is participating at a regional event where their school is not part of the provincial district must inform the registration crew of this and will be seen as a “ghost rider” and will not be allocated schools points, be seeded or qualify to podium

 

 

Don't come here with your information and rational thought. We are here to provide uninformed knee-jerk over-reactions. 

 

OK so basically every province, except Gauteng, allows home-schooled kids to participate due to "regional by-laws and historical reasons". Participate, but not compete, because they will basically be ghost riders. This is at least a good start and hopefully something the OP would settle for. 

 

So the question remains (unless it has already been answered in this thread), why don't gauteng permit it, and can they change it?

 

Logistically it should be possible to allow home-schoolers to compete if 8 other provinces can do it. So, unless the Gauteng regions have a good reason, the issue should be pushed in my opinion. 

[PygaSchmyga]

What kind of a comment is that??

one that came in a box

[PhilipV]

no

 

Gauteng xco series

Sa xco cup

Private xco events are popping up everywhere

 

 

the school series is not about kids anymore its so stupidly corporate and money driven ... it actually sickens me

 

 

3 years ago when i was still racing ( did good but not great , ave about 17th to 11th ) kids line up with umbrellas to stand under , ice jerseys .... after just getting off the 15k tacx warm up stand ...... ect ect. bull**** list goes on and on

IMO the competitiveness of parents ripped the heart out of this series a while ago.

 

This is not as far fetched as you may think. I know of a certain homeschooler that podiumed every race in the 3 seasons that he participated.

If you are referring to MM he would have won wether he was in PV or in PRG. His advantage is not the fact that he is homeschooled.

He has a lot of talent, a great work ethic and good attitude.

[NickGM]

And as the facts emerge, this baying mob who are signing petitions in a circle-jerk of self congratulatory righteous indigence screaming for Spur to fall will then turn and cry like babies when Spur bails on sponsoring kids MTB, decrying the lack of youth development in the sport.  You lot need to grow up.  Is there any mature and cognitive debate left in the world?

 

You owe me a cup of tea and a new keyboard. 

[Slowbee]

And as the facts emerge, this baying mob who are signing petitions in a circle-jerk of self congratulatory righteous indigence screaming for Spur to fall will then turn and cry like babies when Spur bails on sponsoring kids MTB, decrying the lack of youth development in the sport.  You lot need to grow up.  Is there any mature and cognitive debate left in the world?

Pyga, the problem is the debate itself. To many aspects are being confused.

 

Homeschooling, parents in sport, school sport, rules, discrimination and of course how to effect change all seem to be discussed and confabulated into one ugly mass.

 

BUT, the masses (me included), who want to help out in this regard, dont know who to target to get help to make the change. I just know it is wrong and I dont have the time to read details and fiddle and fuddle. Without knowing the details (which the masses usually dont) we look at the name. SPUR. So I target Spur, rightly or wrongly. They should use their sponsorship weight to make the change or not. They either agree with the masses or not. Either way, these are the things sponsors must deal with all the time.

 

As an aside, look at the cricket and alcohol as the brand on the sleeves or ex brand.

 

PS LOVE spur onion wrings and extra cheesy quesadilla ... right, lunch sorted

[Skubarra]

Not sure how rubbishing Spur, while wallowing in unadulterated ignorant bliss equates to challenging slavery and apartheid - I think you give yourself WAY too much credit

 

My post was simply about the principle of whether unfair rules should be accepted or challenged - you are reading more into that post than I intended. 

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

Pyga, the problem is the debate itself. To many aspects are being confused.

 

Homeschooling, parents in sport, school sport, rules, discrimination and of course how to effect change all seem to be discussed and confabulated into one ugly mass.

 

BUT, the masses (me included), who want to help out in this regard, dont know who to target to get help to make the change. I just know it is wrong and I dont have the time to read details and fiddle and fuddle. Without knowing the details (which the masses usually dont) we look at the name. SPUR. So I target Spur, rightly or wrongly. They should use their sponsorship weight to make the change or not. They either agree with the masses or not. Either way, these are the things sponsors must deal with all the time.

 

As an aside, look at the cricket and alcohol as the brand on the sleeves or ex brand.

 

PS LOVE spur onion wrings and extra cheesy quesadilla ... right, lunch sorted

Nah dude, you're more intelligent than that! Would Castle have set the rules for entry into the cricket team, at the time that they were sponsors? Would SAHARA have set the rules for T20? Would Magnetti Marelli set the rules and eligibility criteria for Formula 1? 

 

No. They just provide sponsorship and support. The rule makers (organisers / CSA / whatever) and the stakeholders (schools & entrants) negotiate the rules and regs. 

 

Going after a headline sponsor for something like this is ludicrous. If SPUR had extremely dodgy business dealings themselves, THEN go after that. But not 'cos the rules of something they're sponsoring aren't inclusive... 

[scotty]

Homeschoolers, including my daughter, do participate in many of the other MTB races.

 

It has gotten to the point where we are also questioning whether this is worth the effort for our daughter. Probably not. Not for her only.

 

But for the sake of others the answer is: yes. It is always worth it to stand for change in the face of unfair and unnecessary discrimination. It is worth it for all of us. Better for the Spur Brand, better for the organizers, better for the sport.

 

Those who would like to sign a petition, please do so here:

https://www.change.org/p/spur-steak-ranches-allow-participation-of-homeschoolers-in-the-spur-mtb-league

 

Thank you all for your contributions so far. It is appreciated!

Done and circulated to the whattsapp groups i belong to. 

[PygaSchmyga]

Pyga, the problem is the debate itself. To many aspects are being confused.

 

Homeschooling, parents in sport, school sport, rules, discrimination and of course how to effect change all seem to be discussed and confabulated into one ugly mass.

 

BUT, the masses (me included), who want to help out in this regard, dont know who to target to get help to make the change. I just know it is wrong and I dont have the time to read details and fiddle and fuddle. Without knowing the details (which the masses usually dont) we look at the name. SPUR. So I target Spur, rightly or wrongly. They should use their sponsorship weight to make the change or not. They either agree with the masses or not. Either way, these are the things sponsors must deal with all the time.

 

As an aside, look at the cricket and alcohol as the brand on the sleeves or ex brand.

 

PS LOVE spur onion wrings and extra cheesy quesadilla ... right, lunch sorted

 

Wrongly, in my opinion.  I think that laziness is not an excuse, and targeting the guys actually pouring money into the sport is so unbelievably stupid, it beggars belief. 

 

This mindless uninformed shouting, filled with moral indignation directed to the first visible target is easy, and does not require intellect or thought.  Facts gets thrown to the wind.  It has taken 8 pages for the real facts to emerge, but those 8 pages are littered with idiocy clamoring for Spur to be boycotted, petitions to be signed, and general contempt spewed at the series sponsor.

 

For the record, I have no financial or other interest in Spur, and am in no way linked to them.

[PygaSchmyga]

Nah dude, you're more intelligent than that! Would Castle have set the rules for entry into the cricket team, at the time that they were sponsors? Would SAHARA have set the rules for T20? Would Magnetti Marelli set the rules and eligibility criteria for Formula 1? 

 

No. They just provide sponsorship and support. The rule makers (organisers / CSA / whatever) and the stakeholders (schools & entrants) negotiate the rules and regs. 

 

Going after a headline sponsor for something like this is ludicrous. If SPUR had extremely dodgy business dealings themselves, THEN go after that. But not 'cos the rules of something they're sponsoring aren't inclusive... 

a voice of reason in a sea of idiocracy.  Stay strong

[Slowbee]

Nah dude, you're more intelligent than that! Would Castle have set the rules for entry into the cricket team, at the time that they were sponsors? Would SAHARA have set the rules for T20? Would Magnetti Marelli set the rules and eligibility criteria for Formula 1? 

 

No. They just provide sponsorship and support. The rule makers (organisers / CSA / whatever) and the stakeholders (schools & entrants) negotiate the rules and regs. 

 

Going after a headline sponsor for something like this is ludicrous. If SPUR had extremely dodgy business dealings themselves, THEN go after that. But not 'cos the rules of something they're sponsoring aren't inclusive... 

*the masses*

and, without knowing the details, who to put pressure on ? As far as I can see the only name on any event is Spur. So I lay the issue at Spur's feet. Without downloading the fine print most *masses* who will see this and feel agrived wont even know what CSA stands for or whatever that acronym that other post said.

 

and when Mr Amla had issues, who did they go after ? *deflecting from the current topic*