lechatnoir Posted July 23, 2018 Posted July 23, 2018 We all have these stories and none of them are lekker. #1 rule of life - don't be a dwiss #2 rule of life - know that each one of us is a dwiss at some point or other to the OP... glad you're ok to pedal another day. I hope none of us meet a motorist like your lady ever
Sven137 Posted July 23, 2018 Posted July 23, 2018 You will always get the d#se but that said it goes both ways a lot of cyclist ride on the road like they own it and they are the ones causing the problem. It's always the minority who f it up for the majority.Just this afternoon there was 1 I was driving in traffic and I nearly hit him as there was no space to my right and with more than a meter of cycling lane wright next to him why not use it why the f ride in the road now those are the ones who p#ss off motorists. Cyclists have every right to ride in the road Primary or Secondary road positions and its your job as a car driver to adhere to the rules of the road and take the correct procedure in overtaking said cyclist. Not endanger the cyclists because you don't agree where they are cycling, and feel you need to overtake them and put their lives at risk when there is limited space on your right... The primary road position refers to the general flow of traffic and the secondary road position refers to the normal riding position of a cyclist. The primary road position is that of the general flow of traffic (ie in the centre of the lane). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GC9Amu4Ld4
Sven137 Posted July 23, 2018 Posted July 23, 2018 Yesterday, Lady in Landrover Discovery tries to run me over while out on my bike, at the next traffic light I asked her why she tried to kill me. Her response: “because you cyclists have no right to be on the road” proceeds to speed off. WTAF I think these are the same moronic motorists that think lane splitting on a motorbike is illegal and try to kill you.
Sven137 Posted July 23, 2018 Posted July 23, 2018 You must be this oke....keep up the good work .... This lot got banned from doing the Cape Argus because of this thuggery
DieselnDust Posted July 23, 2018 Posted July 23, 2018 The behaviour of SOME cyclists do the rest of us no favours !! On Saturday morning at about 7:45 I was driving along Jip De Jager, direction Durbanville. Along the uphill section where it turns from 2 to 1 lane a group of about 6 or 7 cyclists are filling the cycling lane. Ample space for cars and cyclists. Now bear in mind there was THICK fog !! Next moment one idiotic cyclist swerves into the road, and slowly starts passing the group of cyclists - very slowly along the uphill !!! I tap my hooter to inform this brain dead moron that he has just swerved in front of group of vehicles, already pre-occupied with dealing with the 2-to-1 lane and poor visibility .... standing on the brakes to avoid this blithering idiot was not an option, not with cars right up my rear bumper in the thick fog .... blaring the hooter did get this idiot out the way, but obviously got the expected "gestures" .... Now bear in mind I AM a cyclist, I had my bike on the back of my car and DO give way where at all possible and safe to do so !! This blithering idiot was so busy "owning the road" that he probably does not even begin to realise that he:- put his own life in real danger- put the lives of the other cyclists in danger- put MY life and car danger .... Thankfully this type of behaviour is NOT the norm. Thankfully most cyclists actually do ride in a responsible manner !! And straight away we see where the problem is...You sir where the passing vehicle. Its your duty to keep clear.maybe try driving slower when you are approaching a group of cyclists form the rear. You sir are not ENTITLED to maintain your speed.....that's why motor vehicles have powerful brakes.If you were driving at an appropriate speed then the vehicles behind wouldn't be a problem because they would be able to stop or slow down sufficiently to avoid you IF you were travelling at an appropriate speed. "Be the change you want to see"
Jase619 Posted July 23, 2018 Posted July 23, 2018 Had the exact same thing last weekend outside Broadacres shopping centre. Riding in the turning lane as we were turning right into the shopping centre. While riding and gesturing that we are turning right, a young gentleman in his fancy BMW pulls up behind us and starts hooting. He then pulls up next to us in the left lane and starts shouting at us that we must get out of the way as we have no right to be using the road. A simple wave and a smile at him, together with telling him to have a pleasant morning and that was the end of that... People are tw*ts. I find this to piss people off more than angry gestures and foul language thrown back at them. Nothing gets someone's blood boiling quite like friendliness when they are trying to shout at you
Eldron Posted July 23, 2018 Posted July 23, 2018 And straight away we see where the problem is...You sir where the passing vehicle. Its your duty to keep clear.maybe try driving slower when you are approaching a group of cyclists form the rear. You sir are not ENTITLED to maintain your speed.....that's why motor vehicles have powerful brakes.If you were driving at an appropriate speed then the vehicles behind wouldn't be a problem because they would be able to stop or slow down sufficiently to avoid you IF you were travelling at an appropriate speed. "Be the change you want to see"Oh dear....
Eldron Posted July 23, 2018 Posted July 23, 2018 too early for Friday?I would say more unecessary than poorly timed.
ChrisF Posted July 23, 2018 Posted July 23, 2018 And straight away we see where the problem is...You sir where the passing vehicle. Its your duty to keep clear.maybe try driving slower when you are approaching a group of cyclists form the rear. You sir are not ENTITLED to maintain your speed.....that's why motor vehicles have powerful brakes.If you were driving at an appropriate speed then the vehicles behind wouldn't be a problem because they would be able to stop or slow down sufficiently to avoid you IF you were travelling at an appropriate speed. "Be the change you want to see" May I ask that you take a moment to READ posts 26 and 27 .... Me as a CYCLIST that commutes regularly, and happend to be in the car on this occasion, took the CORRECT evasive action. HOWEVER ... this CYCLIST put a lot of lives in danger with his actions !! My posts are NOT about who owns the road ... it is about common sense and being a SAFE cyclist ....
ChrisF Posted July 23, 2018 Posted July 23, 2018 I would say more unecessary than poorly timed. Hey, maybe, just maybe, somebody learns something through the life cycle of this thread .... "right" is just a very small part of the story .... "owning the road" is neither a right of those on 2 nor 4 wheels ... we all share the roads. And strange as this may sound - the cyclist put my and wife's life in danger, even though we were the ones in the car .... because short of driving right through him I had to slow down drastically in thick mist .... GLAD we did not get rear ended, or much worse, the car behind us did not swerve to the left to avoid hitting us - which would have resulted in a number of cyclists getting hurt .... Here is a radical thought: "road safety" is as much the RESPONSIBILITY of the car driver as the cyclist." If a cyclist is doing 50km/h and a car turns in front of the cyclist - who's fault is it ? If a car is doing 60km/h and a cyclist swerves in front of the car - who's fault is it ?
Robbie Stewart Posted July 23, 2018 Posted July 23, 2018 you sir have bigger fish to fry......you have a drinking problem ...the bar being the only place to work up the courage to venture onto a South-African road, albeit on a bike or a car. (to all the prudes, nancy's and nazi's, that comment was made in a sarcastic jest, and was not meant to be construed as factually accurate...cool your jets.)
Robbie Stewart Posted July 23, 2018 Posted July 23, 2018 This lot got banned from doing the Cape Argus because of this thuggery I wonder if they will be allowed to enter the Cape Town Cycle Tour now, seeing as the Argus is no longer with us...
Eldron Posted July 23, 2018 Posted July 23, 2018 Hey, maybe, just maybe, somebody learns something through the life cycle of this thread .... "right" is just a very small part of the story .... "owning the road" is neither a right of those on 2 nor 4 wheels ... we all share the roads. And strange as this may sound - the cyclist put my and wife's life in danger, even though we were the ones in the car .... because short of driving right through him I had to slow down drastically in thick mist .... GLAD we did not get rear ended, or much worse, the car behind us did not swerve to the left to avoid hitting us - which would have resulted in a number of cyclists getting hurt .... Here is a radical thought: "road safety" is as much the RESPONSIBILITY of the car driver as the cyclist." If a cyclist is doing 50km/h and a car turns in front of the cyclist - who's fault is it ? If a car is doing 60km/h and a cyclist swerves in front of the car - who's fault is it ? Agreed. Fault and right are irrelevant - the ONLY thing that should matter is life. It's quite strange watching SA debates whilst living in country which values life so highly. Over here debate is centered around solving the problem not apportioning blame - right/wrong, who's fault it was etc are rarely spoken about. As has been said a million times - it's going to take action from BOTH stakeholders (motorists and cyclists) to solve the problem. Tearing strips off each other using theorised traffic situations, speeds, following distances, weather conditions etc doesn't help at all.
Paddaman Posted July 23, 2018 Posted July 23, 2018 Hey, maybe, just maybe, somebody learns something through the life cycle of this thread .... "right" is just a very small part of the story .... "owning the road" is neither a right of those on 2 nor 4 wheels ... we all share the roads. And strange as this may sound - the cyclist put my and wife's life in danger, even though we were the ones in the car .... because short of driving right through him I had to slow down drastically in thick mist .... GLAD we did not get rear ended, or much worse, the car behind us did not swerve to the left to avoid hitting us - which would have resulted in a number of cyclists getting hurt .... Here is a radical thought: "road safety" is as much the RESPONSIBILITY of the car driver as the cyclist." If a cyclist is doing 50km/h and a car turns in front of the cyclist - who's fault is it ? If a car is doing 60km/h and a cyclist swerves in front of the car - who's fault is it ?#give back the road. It worked for #give back the land....... Cyclists were first....
DieselnDust Posted July 23, 2018 Posted July 23, 2018 "If a car is doing 60km/h and a cyclist swerves in front of the car - who's fault is it ?" Although I understand and respect the point you're trying to make the issue in fact revolves around anticipation of possible actions of the vehicles ahead (including a cyclist in a cycle lane). You are not responsible for what is behind you. The answer to your question above is: Its the cars fault. Not many cases are prosecuted to the extent of securing a conviction of the motorist but if the passing vehicle has failed to keep clear, failed to slow down or adjust speed to allow for a safe condition then it is that vehicle at fault.We as cyclists don't have eyes in the back of our heads. We can glance over our shoulders occasionally to check for oncoming traffic but essentially the vehicle coming up from behind must keep clear. Speaking from experience here, I've had other motorists give me a hard time for allowing a cyclist to pass me before turning left at an intersection, or slowed down on a narrow street to allow for more than a 1m passing distance. So yes you make good points re cyclists being their own worst enemy sometimes but you come across as an entitled motorist and that's the root of the problem on our roads.We don't have to be driving at 60km/hr where the speed limit is 60km'hr.Speed needs to be adapted to the conditions. By my observation, 10% of drivers actually adapt their driving style to the conditions.Providing license to tail-gaters and selling it as "Our lives were in danger" just doesn't wash. Sorry I can't join the cyclist bashing culture that exists amongst cyclists but I would actually like to see change in behaviors on SA roads and cyclists are NOT THE PROBLEM. I understand that's not a popular point of view.
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