Hunting - yes or no?

[Goodbadugly]

I don't dispute that. However, that doesn't mean that people often make poor decisions with the best of intentions. Few people in this world do things because they think they're making the wrong decision. 

 

The point remains that game ranches are businesses. Love doesn't put you in the black. When a farmer has to decide between clearing a piece of land for crops/grazing or leaving it (relatively) untouched, because business is a bit slow, what do you think will happen?  

Commercial yes.

Love does not put you in the black. But it helps.

[Fruity]

Edit: Off-topic. 

 

Go vegan

No

[Odinson]

No

 

 

[Patchelicious]

Edit: Off-topic. 

 

Go vegan

 

Plant based diets is a great cause, with many upsides.

 

Its just a pity that its doesn't have enough moderate champions who would do a better job at converting more people to a good cause.

[Odinson]

Plant based diets is a great cause, with many upsides.

 

Its just a pity that its doesn't have enough moderate champions who would do a better job at converting more people to a good cause.

 

Then you haven't looked, Patch. Simple as that. 

 

What is your idea of a 'moderate champion'? 

[Patchelicious]

Then you haven't looked, Patch. Simple as that. 

 

What is your idea of a 'moderate champion'? 

 

Somebody who convinces others that its a good idea and encourages it.

Not somebody who says that people are monsters for eating animals have their heads bashed in.

 

I am not having a go at you. I and saying, you will have greater success convincing people if you tone it down a bit.

 

ISIS doesn't radicalise people over night, its a process

Edited October 26, 2018 by Patchelicious

[Chris_]

Somebody who convinces others that its a good idea and encourages it.

Not somebody who says that people are monsters for eating animals have their heads bashed in.

 

I am not having a go at you. I and saying, you will have greater success convincing people if you tone it down a bit.

 

ISIS doesn't radicalise people over night, its a process

 

Moderate or mainstream?

 

I agree with your sentiments but I also think standing quietly on the side whispering positive facts in a relatively unknown area, will not have any penetration nor audience. 

[Odinson]

Somebody who convinces others that its a good idea and encourages it.

Not somebody who says that people are monsters for eating animals have their heads bashed in.

 

I am not having a go at you. I and saying, you will have greater success convincing people if you tone it down a bit.

 

ISIS doesn't radicalise people over night, its a process

 

All social justice movements engender resistance and opposition. Veganism/plant-based, whatever you wish to call it, is no different. 

 

I don't judge others for their choices to eat animals and all that. I've been a meat eater for more of my life than a vegan. I've committed acts of violence towards animals of which I am both deeply ashamed and regretful. Thus, I have empathy for those who still choose to eat animals. People changing a part of their identity can be scary, but once you go down that route you'll realise it shouldn't have been. 

 

I'm not sure whether you listen to podcasts or not, but have gander at these: https://plantproof.com/category/podcast/ Vegan/plant-based folks that champion the movement with good vibes and positivity. 

[J∆kk∆ls]

More and more foods are proving to be non-vegan as bees play a critical role in the production.

I can possibly go full vegetarian having gone for weeks without eating meat and feeling great. But I do love eggs and cheese and baked goods and honey way too much to become a vegan.   

[Eldron]

Maybe the problem is the label. Maybe we should aim for "foods that aren't bad for the environment" instead of vegan/vegetarian/meat eater. Then people don't have to be pro or anti anything.

[Mousea]

A good piece of meat is great.

Fresh veggies are stunning.

would I give up either ........

Not a chance both have their place.

[Chris_]

Maybe the problem is the label. Maybe we should aim for "foods that aren't bad for the environment" instead of vegan/vegetarian/meat eater. Then people don't have to be pro or anti anything.

 

I remember long ago reading about how the effect of putting words and consequently graphic images on cigarette boxes had negligible effect on reducing sales. In fact some people found it even boosted uptake... We enjoy rebelling.

[Fruity]

More and more foods are proving to be non-vegan as bees play a critical role in the production.

I can possibly go full vegetarian having gone for weeks without eating meat and feeling great. But I do love eggs and cheese and baked goods and honey way too much to become a vegan.

Meat is meat and a man must eat.

 

Pork sosaties, hake, lamb tjops, ribeye steak, and Moroccan marinade chicken always go well on the braai, and of course braai mushrooms with a sprinkle of crushed garlic and grated cheese on top.

 

When it comes to salad at home, if we don't prepare our own salad, we get an already made salad from Spar, which in my opinion, has too much lettuce.

[Wayne Potgieter]

Been vegetarian for over a year now. At home we eat strictly vegan but occasionally when eating out we will have a little dairy or so on.

 

It’s a little harder travelling with kids.

 

Each to his own.

 

We have a heap of friends that are omnivores and I will happily go out and eat with them. They are respectful of our choice and we are of theirs.

 

Some of them are intrigued by our choices and ask us questions others simply don’t.

 

From a health perspective I feel absolutely great. I am in the best shape of my life and I attribute 75% of that to diet.

 

We have even started growing our own veg (more a project for the kiddies) using a vegepod.

 

I am not a fan of hunting on a personal level. It’s never really been a thing for me. But I also believe in not being a preachy vegan so much so that most of my work colleagues and some friends still don’t even know. Why should I tell them, I don’t give a damn what they eat.

[Patchelicious]

Been vegetarian for over a year now. At home we eat strictly vegan but occasionally when eating out we will have a little dairy or so on.

 

It’s a little harder travelling with kids.

 

Each to his own.

 

We have a heap of friends that are omnivores and I will happily go out and eat with them. They are respectful of our choice and we are of theirs.

 

Some of them are intrigued by our choices and ask us questions others simply don’t.

 

From a health perspective I feel absolutely great. I am in the best shape of my life and I attribute 75% of that to diet.

 

We have even started growing our own veg (more a project for the kiddies) using a vegepod.

 

I am not a fan of hunting on a personal level. It’s never really been a thing for me. But I also believe in not being a preachy vegan so much so that most of my work colleagues and some friends still don’t even know. Why should I tell them, I don’t give a damn what they eat.

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[J∆kk∆ls]