Giant bike spotted in parktown north

[Stricker]

What i have discovered is that a lot of people have no idea how much damaged segregation have caused and how many generations it will take to get over/out of it.

 

Its clearly visible when you hear someone say … we have had this BEE thing for 20 years surely its enough , or I had no hand in the past why should my life be influenced by it.

 

It is of critical importance that these types of people be educated on these stuff, as without proper understanding we will never be able to move forward as a nation.

 

 

 

 

[IceCreamMan]

 

It is of critical importance that these types of people be educated on these stuff, as without proper understanding we will never be able to move forward as a nation.

 

Holding onto the past means you cannot move forward either.

 

But I digress.

 

Again it is assumed  that the OP was racially motivated. That's like a stereotype in itself is it not?

 

Everyone assumed the OP's race group too?

 

Damn, suddenly I have a headache.

[Stricker]

Holding onto the past means you cannot move forward either.

 

But I digress.

 

Again it is assumed  that the OP was racially motivated. That's like a stereotype in itself is it not?

 

Everyone assumed the OP's race group too?

 

Damn, suddenly I have a headache.

Before you can put water in a broken container , you first need to fix the container.

If you force( Move Forward) without fixing the container everything you place in it will be lost in the future.

Now to fix the container you need to understand what is broken and where, as without that you cant fix it.

 

The above is a perfect example of why people need to be educated on this, cause the container was broken and the culprits that broke it think its just a , go to spar and buy a new one ( Easy Fix) as it had no negative effect on most of their lives, yet the people that suffered from this are still trying to gather the broken pieces, never mind reassembling and getting ready for the epoxy.

 

I will say it again, unless we truly understand the damaged that segregation caused, it will forever be a struggle to move forward as a nation

[IceCreamMan]

Before you can put water in a broken container , you first need to fix the container.

If you force( Move Forward) without fixing the container everything you put into it in the future will be lost.

Now to fix the container you need to understand what is broken and where, as without that you cant fix it.

 

The above is a perfect example of why people need to be educated on this, cause the container was broken and the culprits that broke it think its just a , go to spar and buy a new one ( Easy Fix) as it had no negative effect on most of their lives, yet the people that suffered from this are still trying to gather the broken pieces, never mind reassembling and getting ready for the epoxy.

 

I will say it again, unless we truly understand the damaged that segregation caused, we will forever be an struggle to move forward as a nation

 

Its a vicious circle unfortunately and one that has no easy answers.

 

The real tragedy is that if people are waiting for other people to change before they themselves can change, well then its just never going to happen.

 

Stereotypes and profiling are a human condition, its how we make sense of the world. My point that some assumed the OP's race is a prime example of this, even by ppl proclaiming that's its wrong to assume.

 

I will say, that until ppl stop looking backwards, the nation will struggle. And it has.

[Dirkitech]

European Africans 

Indian Africans

Coloureds just stay coloureds

 

 

nevermind

[eddy]

 

Again it is assumed  that the OP was racially motivated.

 

That's like a stereotype in itself is it not?

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The OP betrayed his worldview when he referred to the cyclist's employer as "his lady boss".

 

Callously using a term fully anchored in the past fatally undermines any benign interpretation

[Escapee..]

nevermind

 

Good edit bud  

[Stricker]

Holding onto the past means you cannot move forward either.

 

But I digress.

 

Again it is assumed  that the OP was racially motivated. That's like a stereotype in itself is it not?

 

Everyone assumed the OP's race group too?

 

Damn, suddenly I have a headache.

Regarding OP and racism.

 

Not once did I say he is a racist , if you read my reply earlier I was pointing you to the basic advantages/disadvantages of your skin colour due to our subconscious forming "stereotypes" without you even knowing about it and that it takes a conscience effort to eradicate this.

 

Its been pointed out in various post on this topic, that should the guy pushing the bike have been of a different race, the outcome with have been to total opposite.

 

Now what the OP did was basically put what he was thinking into action and that is something I commend, as most people will think it but do nothing about it.

 

By OP posting it and we having a discussion around this , hopefully we can all be enlightened and move away from something like this by understanding the root cause.   

[Mamil]

A prof back in the 90's berated me for using the term non-white saying that we don't call women non-men.

 

I was hotly embarrassed but it stuck with me 

[Stricker]

Its a vicious circle unfortunately and one that has no easy answers.

 

The real tragedy is that if people are waiting for other people to change before they themselves can change, well then its just never going to happen.

 

Stereotypes and profiling are a human condition, its how we make sense of the world. My point that some assumed the OP's race is a prime example of this, even by ppl proclaiming that's its wrong to assume.

 

I will say, that until ppl stop looking backwards, the nation will struggle. And it has.

 

I understand where you coming from.

There is that famous saying.

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day

Teach him how to fish and he will eat for a lifetime.

 

What most people don't realise is that when you teach someone to do deep sea fishing( As per our society), they actually need a "boat" to get to the destination where they can fish. If not all that teaching will go to waste.

 

Unfortunately, there is a limited amount of boats out there and most that own these are not willing to assist as they belief the teaching is all you need.

[Mamil]

Whether or not the OP is racist I don't know - I believe we are all racist and that we are living in a context that is very racially charged - but that's another topic.

 

Certainly I believe that the primary factor that made the OP suspicious of the guy in the photo was his race and I believe that a tacit and largely unexamined set of assumptions ;about race inform the attributions made about that guy's presence in the neighbourhood, possession of a bicycle and his behaviour in the situation.

 

In fact I don't just believe it, I think that it has been established as a truth by the arguments put forward in this post.

 

This is not to condemn the OP as a racist, but really an indication that as South Africans we have to be able examine what we think we know when we look at each other.

[Stricker]

Exactly

The problem we sit with its all instinctive and without really paying attention to it, we will never be able to rid it.

[Dirkitech]

Good edit bud  

that post wasn't going to bring the insight I'm hoping for and maybe too far off topic

[Stricker]

nevermind

 

Lets keep that one in our pocket for Friday 

[Kranswurm]

One of my "African" students summed up these types of topics perfectly in a few words.

 

European Skin colour people in South Africa ( Probably other places to) are always seen as:

Competent until proven Incompetent

Innocent until proven Guilty 

 

Where as darker skin colour people 

Incompetent until proven Competent 

Guilty until proven Innocent.

 

 

Myself have been guilty of this and have really put in an conscience effort to eradicate this in my life.

Human brain is a fascinating piece of genius and capable of subconsciously storing information that eventually influence your action without you realising it.

Reminds me of the Nats 

If you're white its all right,If you're brown stick around,If you're black get to the back......

[IceCreamMan]

Whether or not the OP is racist I don't know - I believe we are all racist and that we are living in a context that is very racially charged - but that's another topic.

 

Certainly I believe that the primary factor that made the OP suspicious of the guy in the photo was his race and I believe that a tacit and largely unexamined set of assumptions ;about race inform the attributions made about that guy's presence in the neighbourhood, possession of a bicycle and his behaviour in the situation.

 

In fact I don't just believe it, I think that it has been established as a truth by the arguments put forward in this post.

 

This is not to condemn the OP as a racist, but really an indication that as South Africans we have to be able examine what we think we know when we look at each other.

This is an issue all over the world. Not confined to za.

 

But I have seen successful ppl build in spite of their history and build really well.

 

Time for ZA to build, not look back.

 

Ppl are prejudiced all over the world. We discern ( a form of prejudice) in who we hang out with, who we shag , who we marry ( May the 2 never meet), who we buy goods and services from etc.

 

If the OP posted with good intent then let’s leave it at that. Crime is a real problem an bicycle theft a rampant problem. I believe this to be the case. ( maybe I am naive or maybe it’s due to the fact that I don’t live in a society fixated on race). One does after all not go through the rigmarole of signing up to a cycling forum to be a racist. One has numerous avenues for that.

 

If the OP had a racial intent then he could of been way more inflammatory than that.

 

Maybe we should just stone him and be done.