Willie Smith Vlog: Bus takes out fellow rider

[seven]

because you are trying to justify breaking the law and near manslaughter, which is abhorrent. You clearly don't know the rules of the road and you're a danger to society as well.

Wow! Are such personal attacks really needed?!

[Stretch]

No person should receive a driver's license without first crossing the city in which they live by bicycle every day for a week.

You could argue the other way that no one should be a pedestrian or cyclist or motor user without first sitting next to a bus or truck driver. While the bus driver did not slow down or be more aware of the cyclists.. almost none of us here have actually driven a bus so we have no idea what it's like from a visual and blind spot perspective.

 

Honestly.. Both parties were at fault here

[Transporter]

You could argue the other way that no one should be a pedestrian or cyclist or motor user without first sitting next to a bus or truck driver. While the bus driver did not slow down or be more aware of the cyclists.. almost none of us here have actually driven a bus so we have no idea what it's like from a visual and blind spot perspective.

 

Honestly.. Both parties were at fault here

Nope 150% bus drivers fault. 

[Transporter]

Wow, you took the victim blaming to another level there, I presume you feel that any woman wearing a short skirt asked for it and was irresponsible as well?

Cyclist should ride to the left of the roadway = same lane as the bus. The bus can then only pass if it is safe to do so. This bus purposefully drifted on to the yellow line towards the cyclists. Fifty to hundred meters before the incident he was a reasonable distance from the yellow line.

[gogo@]

 

Honestly.. Both parties were at fault here

 

Only in so far as the cyclists had the temerity to be cycling there when the bus passed drove into them. 

[Stretch]

Nope 150% bus drivers fault.

Note I didn't say the bus driver wasn't at fault... But those cyclists were also not cycling defensively and were horsing around taking video using a phone/GoPro in his hand. If we as cyclists want to be treated like cars, then those rules of the road should apply to us too. A good lawyer would use that video evidence to squash the case.

[capediver]

Roads are dangerous out there!

Edited December 6, 2019 by capediver

[Mamil]

That's a fair point about how a lawyer would use this footage. And no doubt when on our bikes we should abide by the same rules that govern us when in our cars robots, cell phone usage etc) but my sense is that it's a big leap from that to sharing blame for the accident - this bus driver was massively negligent in his overtaking and I don't think that Pantani was negligent in  his riding. He could have been further over to the left but he wasn't - it just wasn't safe to overtake in the way that he did.

 

 

Note I didn't say the bus driver wasn't at fault... But those cyclists were also not cycling defensively and were horsing around taking video using a phone/GoPro in his hand. If we as cyclists want to be treated like cars, then those rules of the road should apply to us too. A good lawyer would use that video evidence to squash the case.

[Eldron]

That's a fair point about how a lawyer would use this footage. And no doubt when on our bikes we should abide by the same rules that govern us when in our cars robots, cell phone usage etc) but my sense is that it's a big leap from that to sharing blame for the accident - this bus driver was massively negligent in his overtaking and I don't think that Pantani was negligent in  his riding. He could have been further over to the left but he wasn't - it just wasn't safe to overtake in the way that he did.

 

We're down to semantics now but if we duplicated the cyclists behaviour in cars I would have described the scenario as an accident waiting to happen.

 

Imagine a couple of cars driving 2 and 3 abreast doing "overtakes" to ham it up for the camera, swerving across lanes, swerving in and out of the yellow line, overtaking each other in the yellow lines etc. It would be inexcusable but somehow when we're on bikes it's cool?

 

Are the cyclists in this video to blame for the accident? Somewhere between no and probabaly not. Are they riding in a way that is responsible, curteous to other road users and safe? Hell no.

[mecheng89]

*THREAD HIJACK*

 

Did anyone see the #smurfy500 ride? seems pretty ambitious, but keen to see what route they have in mind.

[wessie12]

My opinion:

Was the accident the drivers fault: Yes

Was his actions reckless: Yes

Does his actions constitute criminal prosecution: Yes

Will this type of behavior happen again: hell yes

 

That is exactly why I ride as far left as possible even if I have to fix 10 punctures.

Someone commented and said that although it is legal and our right to walk in Hillbrow at night it is not safe. I refuse to gamble with my life even if it's my right to use the road.Its just not worth it.The cyclist in the video is very very lucky to be alive.

['Dale]

*THREAD HIJACK*

 

Did anyone see the #smurfy500 ride? seems pretty ambitious, but keen to see what route they have in mind.

I remember him doing it last summer too

Or was it 400?

 

Something carb-dense though ????????‍♀️

[mecheng89]

I remember him doing it last summer too

Or was it 400?

 

Something carb-dense though ‍♀

Is that not the single reason we all ride? So we can stuff our faces with pizza and beer?     

[Graham28]

Hope you chaps are ok. Shocking.

Bruce heal up man. Your mates from Somerset are waiting for you.

Hope the mofo gets what’s coming to him.

Graham.

[Stretch]

That's a fair point about how a lawyer would use this footage. And no doubt when on our bikes we should abide by the same rules that govern us when in our cars robots, cell phone usage etc) but my sense is that it's a big leap from that to sharing blame for the accident - this bus driver was massively negligent in his overtaking and I don't think that Pantani was negligent in his riding. He could have been further over to the left but he wasn't - it just wasn't safe to overtake in the way that he did.

I can't disagree with anything you've said there

['Dale]

Is that not the single reason we all ride? So we can stuff our faces with pizza and beer?

Chocolates for me

Hell yeah