louis0852 Posted April 13, 2009 Share Can't see any pics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotSoBigBen Posted April 13, 2009 Share Cool, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danlate Posted April 13, 2009 Share seven/kenda team with x.x absalon's 9 speed gripshifts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danlate Posted April 13, 2009 Share some more: the levers for x.x will be normal, and not double tap. integrated lockout in the brake lever: and the sid will have new lockout system: new brake caliper and 2-piece rotor: danlate2009-04-13 12:35:18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoLefty!! Posted April 13, 2009 Share nice pics, thanks. I see the rumoured "shadow" Sram rear mech is a reality. No Doubletap??! Thats old I wonder if the shifters shown are X.0 with the X.Xgraphics cos most of the guys running the new stuff were on 9speed cassettes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danlate Posted April 14, 2009 Share nice pics' date=' thanks. ? I see the rumoured "shadow" Sram rear mech is a reality. ? No Doubletap??! Thats old I wonder if the shifters shown are X.0 with the X.Xgraphics cos most of the guys running the new stuff were on 9speed cassettes. ? ?[/quote'] its still not very "shadow", shimano mechs sit much further inwards. on the x.x there is still a big fat top bolt. most people with x.x stuff had some black tape over the graphics. its a shame, coz i would have liked to see what the stuff actually looks like. will have to wait for sea otter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeepee Posted April 14, 2009 Share Go check out there website www.whitebrotherscycling.com ' date=' I'm on one of there old DH forks, the upside down one. Still going strong. Just have a seal problem after a while but nothing the old BMG can't fix[/quote'] When did they come out with upside down forks? mid 90's? Reason Im asking this cause Im trying to see if the mtb development is far behind or close to MX development. if anything, mtb is ahead of mx. i read an article in the latest dirt, they had an interview with bob fox from fox racing shocks, and he said that they use lots of technology form mtb in the mx stuff. very interesting article. Interesting, I find it hard to think that way but Im sure it can be true and vice versa. So would you for example have mid-stroke harshness and for the top riders would you set your race sag on the rear and does oil heights and oil weights along with internals make a difference? It was interesting for me to see that my FOX has oil on the one side and air on the other. You would think that having different mediums would give different damping. But it obviously works for them.Interesting that MTB would be ahead of offroad in the suspension dept, surely the MX guys have been in the game longer than the mtb guys? Colonel do you think your sag would have such a big influence on your MTB than on your MX bike? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTB Kid Posted April 14, 2009 Share Shifters are not double tap but a specific trigger for 10-speed. The lockout for the front fork is hydraulic ..... fully integrated with shifter/brake lever combo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathrix Posted April 14, 2009 Share A friend of mine took these pics... Some demo bikes, me think...more demo bikes... nathrix2009-04-14 06:13:27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest colonel Posted April 14, 2009 Share Colonel do you think your sag would have such a big influence on your MTB than on your MX bike? I dont know much about the MTB bikes set up but Im sure it must do if they are on the same par technology wise. But then my question is: How the F do you adjust the sag? Im looking at my RP23 now and dont see how its possible?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bos Posted April 14, 2009 Share Colonel do you think your sag would have such a big influence on your MTB than on your MX bike? I dont know much about the MTB bikes set up but Im sure it must do if they are on the same par technology wise. But then my question is: How the F do you adjust the sag? Im looking at my RP23 now and dont see how its possible?? You set that up with the amount of Positive air you put in. From my "Very clued up and very profesional point of view" this is how I would imagin the MX vs MTb. Because Mtb's are lighter there can be lots more little parts in forks and rear shocks. also You have a motor on a MX bike therefor more things can be filled with oil and have springs. again You dont need "platforms" or "Pro pedal" as you just twist the trottle and off you go. you dont load and ofload weight as you do in the standing pedal motion.Bike stuff are very ajustable... Probably a whole lot more so than MX- caus they need to be. I can Imagin that It is necesary to put heavyer oil and a few more shims in your fork If doing a SX or MX race with big jumps to keep from bottoming out perhaps a bit of compression dampning etc. Where on a MTb there is High/low speed compression dampning, rebound, platform( how hard you have to hit a bump before the fork moves) the bottom out the sag the positive air and the negative air. As well as travel ajust for rougher courses. and this is all done externally!! which tells me we need to ajust more, and therefor its given to us. Ok Theres probably more you can do On MX bikes But for all I know most guys dont really bother with the forks to much. Unless they are racing.I cant really speak for this you can pehaps enlighten me. As far as the back end goes, Again, I think the linkage on Mtb allows for the springrate to change throughout the stroke (DW link/ VPP/Magic link) So the shock does not need to have varied stroke like the fork for instance needs to have (ever thought of that ?) It only needs Initial settup. Shock "curves" are designed to firm up a little in the beginning called a "Rising rate" which helpes the bike not "bob" as you pedal then it goes into wha tthey call a "falling rate" so that the bike absorbes bumps easily without giving to much feedback to the ridr before it goes into a "rising rate" again to prevent bottoming out. This is the VPP S curve that Intense and santacruise uses. All the shocks does is vary the "plushness" through the 3 settings of Pro pedal. so no pro pedal is open and plush, second is more difficult to move (like thicker weight oil would do to mx fork or shock) and the no 3 is lockout. mm, what else.. any questions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodTi Posted April 14, 2009 Share Go check out there website www.whitebrotherscycling.com ' date=' I'm on one of there old DH forks, the upside down one. Still going strong. Just have a seal problem after a while but nothing the old BMG can't fix[/quote'] When did they come out with upside down forks? mid 90's? Reason Im asking this cause Im trying to see if the mtb development is far behind or close to MX development. if anything, mtb is ahead of mx. i read an article in the latest dirt, they had an interview with bob fox from fox racing shocks, and he said that they use lots of technology form mtb in the mx stuff. very interesting article. Interesting, I find it hard to think that way but Im sure it can be true and vice versa. So would you for example have mid-stroke harshness and for the top riders would you set your race sag on the rear and does oil heights and oil weights along with internals make a difference? I might be wrong in this regard, but I don't think there's a link between the WB MX company and the WBcycling company - at least, no such link is suggested from the websites... I had a WB Magic 80, and was initially told by the LBS that WB's have been doing MX for years, and know their stuff etc etc. On doing a bit of Googling, appeared to me that the two were very much different companies - linked only by chance by virtue of name... Again, I stand to be corrected in this regard, but if memory serves, as an example of MX vs Cycling technology, the likes of Fox etc. would probably be better suited... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darnijl Posted April 14, 2009 Share What is that Yeti? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bos Posted April 14, 2009 Share Those candys are there Because that bike Is not a DH bike thats only a trailbike.. But they do Race DH with clips, dont be mistaken, In fact the First person Ever (I think) to win a world champs on Flats was Samm Hill last year.... and very few guys use them. They just use PSD's with platform around them, like Crank bross Malet. That Yeti is the 303.. It uses "rails" in which the swingarm moves around while going through its travel.. see my post to Colenel above. It gives the shockrate different properties while going through the travel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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