great column on armstrong

[SwissVan]

 

JA BUT....

 

No offence Rude.... but jinnie even I'm getting tired of this discussion. 

Admin / moderator can we close this thread pse?

 

 

 

 

[fandacious]

How about the whole truth and nothing but the truth??

Yip something Lance hasnt ever done about his corrupt sporting practices.

 

Yip your probably right' date=' hopefully one day it will be proved in a manner that will solve this debate once and for all.

 

Also probably applies to 1000's of other professional sportspersons who also deny taking any performance enhancers if asked.

How many of the super 14 rugby players or _ _ _ _ _ _ _ (insert your famous sporting heros name) do you think would test positive if the UCI had to arrive at their hotel on Saturday morning with scissors, syringes and sample bottles in tow?

 

Yet we treat them like heroes

 

The world likes a scapegoat.

 

 

[/quote']

 

the point is that cyclists are labeled as dirty, but in reality, pretty much all pro sportsmen and women are cheaters.

 

it would be nice for some other sports to start taking the rap

[Danger Dassie]

Lances ability to win 7 Tours pales in comparison to his ability to polarise people!

 

People love him blindly or hate him blindly - I have yet to hear a balanced opinion on Lance - apparently he's either permanerntly doped to the gills or the innocent scapegoat of a french conspiracy...nothing in between...

 

So true that....

[scotty]

Some would say pretty balanced, chip on both shoulders.

[fandacious]

7. Finally, I wish to add comment about the recent sample collection in France. Lance Armstrong is the self-proclaimed ?most tested athlete in the history of sport' which infers he well and truly knows the drill - when you are notified to provide a doping control you MUST be chaperoned at all times until the urine sample is provided. The athlete is not allowed to leave the tester's presence (this is an age-old guard against the athlete attempting to mask drug use, for example by placing soap under their fingernails and discretely adding this to their urine sample so as to destroy proteins like EPO in the urine). Obviously I have no evidence to suggest this is what Armstrong did. But I find it curious that he feels he has special dispensation to leave the tester's sight and take a shower. Perhaps old habits die hard?

[TNT1]

 

7. Finally' date=' I wish to add comment about the recent sample collection in France. Lance Armstrong is the self-proclaimed ?most tested athlete in the history of sport' which infers he well and truly knows the drill - when you are notified to provide a doping control you MUST be chaperoned at all times until the urine sample is provided. The athlete is not allowed to leave the tester's presence (this is an age-old guard against the athlete attempting to mask drug use, for example by placing soap under their fingernails and discretely adding this to their urine sample so as to destroy proteins like EPO in the urine). Obviously I have no evidence to suggest this is what Armstrong did. But I find it curious that he feels he has special dispensation to leave the tester's sight and take a shower. Perhaps old habits die hard?[/quote']

 

can you shower if the tester goes with you?

 

[javadude]

From: http://www.cbc.ca/sports/indepth/landis/instantmessage.html

An instant message between Frankie Andreu (FDREU) and Jonathan Vaughters (Cyclevaughters) the morning of July 26, 2005.

Cyclevaughters: frankie - hey - thanks for talking the other day

FDREU: no problem, where are you

Cyclevaughters: back in CO

FDREU: nice, I just got home, isnt' it like 5AM

Cyclevaughters: sometimes i think i'm going to go nuts

Cyclevaughters: yeah

Cyclevaughters: it's 5am

FDREU: I agree, I came home and the air conditioning is broken

Cyclevaughters: ouch

FDREU: did your kid grow twice it's size in the two weeks you were gone

Cyclevaughters: yeah, his feet look bigger for some eason

FDREU: funny

Cyclevaughters: anyhow, i never can quite figure out why
i don't just play along with the lance crowd - i mean sh*t it would
make my life easier, eh? it's not like i never played with hotsauce,
eh?

FDREU: I know, but in the end i don't think it comes back to bite you

FDREU: I play along, my wife does not, and Lance hates us both

FDREU: it's a no win situation, you know how he is. Once you leave the team or do soemthing wrong you forever banned

Cyclevaughters: i suppose - you know he tried to hire me back in 2001... he was nice to me... i just couldn't deal with that whole world

FDREU: I did not know that

FDREU: look at why everyone leaves, it's way to controlling

Cyclevaughters: once I went to CA and saw that now all the teams got 25 injections every day

Cyclevaughters: hell, CA was ZERO

FDREU: you mean all the riders

Cyclevaughters: Credit Agricole

FDREU: it's crazy

Cyclevaughters: So, I realized lance was full of sh*t when he'd say everyone was doing it

FDREU: You may read stuff that i say to radio or press, praising the Tour and lance but it's just playing the game

Cyclevaughters: believe me, as carzy as it sounds - Moreau was on nothing. Hct of 39%

FDREU: when in 2000-2001

Cyclevaughters: so, that's when you start thinking...
hell, kevin was telling me that after 2000 Ullrich never raced over
42%--- yeah moreau in 2000-2001

Cyclevaughters: anyhow - whtever

FDREU: After 1999, you know many things changed. lance did not

FDREU: I believe that's part of whey kevin left, he was tired of the stuff

Cyclevaughters: yeah, i could explain the whole way lance dupes everyone

FDREU: what abut GH climbing the mountains better than azevedo and the entire group

Cyclevaughters: from how floyd described it, i know exactly the methos

FDREU: explain that, classics to climber

FDREU: when did you talk with floyd

Cyclevaughters: i don't know - i want to trust George

Cyclevaughters: but the thing is on that team, you think it's normal

Cyclevaughters: or at least i did

FDREU: i guess. anything with blodd is not normal

Cyclevaughters: yeah, it's very complex how the avoid all
the controls now, but it's not any new drug or anything, just the
resources and planning to pull of a well devised plan

Cyclevaughters: it's why they all got dropped on stage 9 - no refill yet - then on the rest day - boom 800ml of packed cells

FDREU: they have it mastered. good point

Cyclevaughters: they draw the blood right after the dauphine

FDREU: how do they sneak it in, or keep it until needed

FDREU: i'm sure it's not with the truck in the frig

Cyclevaughters: motorcycle - refridgerated panniers

Cyclevaughters: on the rest day

Cyclevaughters: floyd has a photo of the thing

FDREU: crazy! it' just keep going to new levels

Cyclevaughters: yeah, it's complicated, but with enough money you can do it

FDREU: they have enough money. Floyd was so pissed at them this entire tour

Cyclevaughters: anyhow - i just feel sorry for floyd and some of the other guys

Cyclevaughters: why would lance keep doing the sh*t when he clearly has nothing to prove - it's weird

FDREU: I know. me to. they all get ripped into for no reason

FDREU: he's done now, thank god. but they will prove next year for Johan's sake that they are the greatest

Cyclevaughters: and then lance says " this guy and that guys are pussies"

FDREU: they won't stop

FDREU: I agree

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Blah, blah, blah, build a bridge and get over itBacklash2009-05-29 04:46:00

[SwissVan]

 

http://www.clipartof.com/images/thumbnail/1240.gif

 

Wake me up at home time.....

 

 

SwissVan2009-05-29 04:47:00

[Trubie]

this looks so authentic

The LA debate is so boring by now, its never gonna end.

Was said earlier, you either love him, or hate him  - wtf.

if he indeed doped, and got away with it, he seems to be very clever

if he didnt, many more people will be envious of what he achieved.

let it rest, the truth on this matter might never be known.

he still rides a mean ride, and deserves respect for what he achieved - at this stage its still an achievement , cause the opposite hasnt been proved (quite frankly , it never will)

 

Go LA!

 

 

[TNT1]

so about this showering thing? some of the testers are um, lady testers, right?

[Eldron]

 

http://www.clipartof.com/images/thumbnail/1240.gif

 

Wake me up at home time.....

 

 

 

Lance has probably also tripled the sales of L, A, N, C and E keys on most keyboards...

[Guest colonel]

Im shocked