Eldron Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 I do most of my riding alone' date=' so I may not be representative of the general cycling population. I ride closer to a metre into the road when no shoulder. When there is a shoulder I probably ride 50cm from the yellow line. I have very few altercations with motorists, and feel more vulnerable when riding in bunches because people are all over the place, than when I ride alone.[/quote'] I do most of my riding alone for similar reasons - somehow a group seems to develop a dangerous life of it's own! I've always thought 1m is quite far into the road...I'll give it a try and see what the motorists' collective reaction is...thanks! The only "altercation" I have on a regular basis is oncoming cars overtaking and heading straight for me. Perhaps riding 1m into the road will change that!
JohnnyReggae Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 My random comments: 2) Regardless of who is wrong and right and what is legal and not legal a car will always win a fight with a bicycle - ride your bike according to this rule. This is where it all breaks down! People on this forum perpetuate the belief that a bicycle has less rights on the road than a car because a car can do more damage to a bicycle than the inverse. When you are driving your car do you pull over to the side of the road when a truck is behind you' date=' endangering yourself because the truck is bigger than you? A bicycle has a legal right to be on the road. Cyclists do not have to have licenses, because they are not a threat to other road users. We do not have to pay road taxes because we don't use petrol, and we don't do any damage to the road. This does not give cyclists the right to cause problems for other road users, but it also does not give other road users the right to endanger our lives! Be visible, use signals, and take up your rightful place on the road. You'll find that other road users respect you more![/quote']You are 100% correct that a bicycle has the same rights on the road as a car. But no matter how many times you climb up on the soap box to shout it, it will not save you from certain severe injury or death when being hit by a car regardless of who was at fault. The arrogance perpetuated by the larger portion of road cyclists I see by simply placing their own lives in needless danger, simply to be right, is staggering ? Heading home on the M3 the other day going down Wynberg hill was a cyclist riding ON the yellow line, with at least a full car's width to his left ie. the entire emergency lane with car's passing him at speeds anywhere from 80km's/h to 130km's/h. Why on earth would someone willingly place themselves in potential danger like that, other than the pure arrogance of "I have as much right to be on this road as you do" ? Yes we all have a right to the road, but if I feel that there is some danger to my life when on the road whether I am in the right or wrong I will attempt to take myself out of that situation, not stay there because you must realise that I have the right to be there and you should act accordingly. So yes..... if there is a large truck behind me going faster than I am, I will move over. Better to let the danger pass me than be stuck in front of it and a possible lunatic/deranged driver. At the end of the day it's not about wrong or right. It's about either being dead or alive. You choose. JohnnyReggae2009-09-29 04:46:54
AndreZA Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 I found that the closer you ride to the kerb the closer the cars will try and squeeze past you. I try and to be about half an arm length away from the kerb.
bruce Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 My random comments: 2) Regardless of who is wrong and right and what is legal and not legal a car will always win a fight with a bicycle - ride your bike according to this rule. This is where it all breaks down! People on this forum perpetuate the belief that a bicycle has less rights on the road than a car because a car can do more damage to a bicycle than the inverse. When you are driving your car do you pull over to the side of the road when a truck is behind you' date=' endangering yourself because the truck is bigger than you? A bicycle has a legal right to be on the road. Cyclists do not have to have licenses, because they are not a threat to other road users. We do not have to pay road taxes because we don't use petrol, and we don't do any damage to the road. This does not give cyclists the right to cause problems for other road users, but it also does not give other road users the right to endanger our lives! Be visible, use signals, and take up your rightful place on the road. You'll find that other road users respect you more![/quote']While you are 100% correct that a bicycle has the same rights on the road as a car. But no matter how many times you climb up on the soap box to shout it, it will not save you from certain severe injury or death when being hit by a car regardless of who was at fault. The arrogance perpetuated by the larger portion of road cyclists I see by simply placing their own lives in needless danger, simply to be right ? Heading home on the M3 the other day going down Wynberg hill was cyclist riding ON the yellow line, with at least a full car's width to his left ie. the entire emergency lane with car's passing him at speeds anywhere from 80km's/h to 130km's/h. Why on earth would someone willingly place themselves in potential danger like that, other than the pure arrogance of "I have as much right to you on this road" ?Yes we all have a right to the road, but if I feel that there is some danger to my life when on the road whether I am in the right or wrong I will attempt to take myself out of that situation, not stay there because you must realise that I have the right to be there and you should act accordingly. So yes..... if there is a large truck behind me going faster than I am, I will move over. Better to let the danger pass me than be stuck in front of it and a possible lunatic/deranged driver.At the end of the day it's not about wrong or right. It's about either being dead or alive. You choose. You really haven't bothered to read through the argument have you?
Dirt*girl™ Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 omw...I love watching the boys getting their panties all twisted!
SwissVan Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 omw...I love watching the boys getting their panties all twisted! Boys wearing panties on the hub? I hope TNT1 durrent hear about this...
JohnnyReggae Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 You really haven't bothered to read through the argument have you? I have... and as mentioned, regardless of the argument, you will still either be in hospital or the morgue after being hit by a car.
TNT1 Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 omw...I love watching the boys getting their panties all twisted! Boys wearing panties on the hub? I hope TNT1 durrent hear about this... Don't worry.... Dirty and I wear some of the same, um, under garments...
Icycling Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 If it was the M3 heading towards Constantia - the cyclist should not have been on the road at all as it is a freeway from the Wynberg off ramp at the top of the hill. But as he was riding down a hill at speed inside the yellow line where you find or the grit etc that can puncture tires is also dangerous esp. if it turn out to be a fast front wheel puncture which can result in loss of control of your bike!
AndreZA Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 omw...I love watching the boys getting their panties all twisted! ? Boys wearing panties on the hub? I hope TNT1 durrent hear about this... ? ? they were the ones having a Smirnoff Spin and tofu on braai day.
Dirt*girl™ Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 omw...I love watching the boys getting their panties all twisted! Boys wearing panties on the hub? I hope TNT1 durrent hear about this... Don't worry.... Dirty and I wear some of the same' date=' um, under garments...[/quote'] boyshorts! yah!
bruce Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 I do most of my riding alone' date=' so I may not be representative of the general cycling population. I ride closer to a metre into the road when no shoulder. When there is a shoulder I probably ride 50cm from the yellow line. I have very few altercations with motorists, and feel more vulnerable when riding in bunches because people are all over the place, than when I ride alone.[/quote'] I do most of my riding alone for similar reasons - somehow a group seems to develop a dangerous life of it's own! I've always thought 1m is quite far into the road...I'll give it a try and see what the motorists' collective reaction is...thanks! The only "altercation" I have on a regular basis is oncoming cars overtaking and heading straight for me. Perhaps riding 1m into the road will change that! It still happens, because I think a lot of motorists are not aware just how dangerous it is to overtake when a cyclist is oncoming. But I have certainly found more and more that a motorist starts to pull out, see's you are there, and pulls back in. When a car choses to overtake towards me, even though they have seen me, I just make a bit of a 'why?' gesture to try to alert them to the fact that they are doing something that is dangerous and may not be aware of it. No need to make rude hand signals etc.I also tend to wait until a car coming from behind gets a bit closer and starts to slow. I then pull a bit closer to the side of the road, wave a hand to acknowledge that the car slowed, and pull out a bit when they have gone past.
Gasping Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 I take back what I said earlier, we don't agree on anything. Keep twisting them knickers..................
Eldron Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 You really haven't bothered to read through the argument have you? I have... and as mentioned' date=' regardless of the argument, you will still either be in hospital or the morgue after being hit by a car.[/quote'] Argument? By hub standards what Bruce and I had was a polite chit chat over coffee
TNT1 Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 omw...I love watching the boys getting their panties all twisted! Boys wearing panties on the hub? I hope TNT1 durrent hear about this... Don't worry.... Dirty and I wear some of the same' date=' um, under garments...[/quote'] boyshorts! yah! Same color even
GTfan Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 omw...I love watching the boys getting their panties all twisted! Boys wearing panties on the hub? I hope TNT1 durrent hear about this... Don't worry.... Dirty and I wear some of the same' date=' um, under garments...[/quote'] boyshorts! yah! Getting this very vivid image of Dirty*gal in boyshorts now, hmmmm
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