fortuner debate

[jmaccelari]

 

 

What's all this Land Rover is a full time job crap? Are you okes stuck in the 70's or something? Sure if you get a Series Landy' date=' you gonna be wrenching probably more than driving, but what's wrong with a new Defender or Disco? I know Disco had quality issue in the last and prior to that generations, but the current one? 

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My Series II Disco broke down on me in SA, Swaziland, Mozambique AND

****ing Lesotho. It was an awesome car, but ****ing useless for a

trip. The last time I was prepared to leave the keys in the ignition and

walk out...

 

I now have a Patrol and go away with some confidence that my vehicle

is the least of my problems. It's a flippin' tank - unstoppable...

jmaccelari2009-12-08 03:11:39

[jmaccelari]

If any one is interested in my opinion, I also looked at the Fortuner.

It is excellent value for money, but I didn't want to be killed by

an excellent value for money vehicle.

 

I have found the Patrol to be fantastically stable on tar and dirt.

 

I also looked at the Pajeros and was very impressed with them.

The fancy Toyota Prados are for poncing around Sandton, but I

was impressed by the real 4x4 Landcruiser without all the

cr@p...

 

[Regard]

A Toyota Land Cruiser is the most capable off road vehicle ever built... end of story. It doesn't matter if it is a 1980 GX or a 2009 Prada. The Hilux in 4x4 is just as good.

 

And now for a snippet from google:

 

"The original ramp is a metal structure with a 20-degree slope that is used to measure a vehicle's ability to conform to the terrain. 
Suspension travel and chassis flex are two important qualities needed to traverse uneven' date=' rutted terrain, and the ramp is a fair, controllable, and repeatable way to measure them. 
There's no room for driver error or luck to influence the outcome; a number achieved on the ramp is directly comparable between different vehicles, any day, anywhere in the world.

Ramp Travel Index is an accurate way of telling how far up the 20-degree ramp a vehicle can go, while still keeping all four tyres in contact with the surface. To some extent, mathematical manipulations are necessary; it would be unfair to ask a short-wheelbase vehicle to crawl as far up the ramp as one with a long wheelbase. Therefore, whatever number of inches a vehicle can muster before it runs out of suspension travel (and chassis flex) is divided by its wheelbase. (This way, a 130 can indeed compete with a 90 
We multiply that number by 1,000 to get kind of a workable value.

For example, if a 110-inch-wheelbase vehicle goes 52 inches up the ramp, its RTI number would be 472 ([52 ? 110'] x 1,000). Obviously, a higher RTI number translates into better conformability to the terrain. A perfect score would be 1,000, indicating that the vehicle can go as far up the ramp as its wheelbase is long without lifting a tyre. No standard vehicle has reached 1000 but Range Rovers come close. A few modified machines have indeed reached the perfect score and beyond."

Thus RTI= Off road capabilitiesand so:

RTI of Range Rover 703

RTI of Land Cruiser 590

RTI of Hilux 395

 

There is just no way to argue with stats, is there?

[TNT1]

RTI is a good benchmark...

96 Acura SLX: 506

 

'93 AM General Hummer: 385

 

'92 Chevrolet S-10 w/Rugged Trail 3.5-inch lift: 351

 

'81 Chevrolet K-5 Blazer: 653

 

'81 Chevrolet K-5 Blazer w/Rugged Trail 2.5-inch lift: 695

 

'92 Chevrolet K-1500 Blazer: 453

 

'92 Chevrolet K-1500: 421

 

'92 Chevrolet K-2500HD turbo diesel: 365

 

'92 Chevrolet K-3500 Crew Cab dually: 303

 

'94 Chevy S-10 ZR2: 420

 

'94 Chevy K-2500 Suburban: 401

 

'95 Chevy ZR2 Extended Cab: 336

 

'95 Chevy Blazer 2-dr:. 405

 

'96 Chevy K-1500 extended-cab: 376

 

'96 Chevy Tahoe LS: 433

 

'92 Dodge Ramcharger: 613

 

'92 Dodge Dakota Club Cab: 393

 

'92 Dodge W150: 526

 

'92 Dodge W250 Cummins: 372

 

'92 Dodge W250 Cummins w/Natl. Spring 3-inch lift: 406

 

'94 Dodge Ram 1500: 556

 

'95 Dodge Ram BR2500 Club Cab: 431

 

'92 Ford Explorer 4-dr.: 460

 

'92 Ford Explorer 4-dr. w/Superlift 4-inch lift :492

 

'92 Ford Bronco: 516

 

'93 Ford Ranger SuperCab: 416

 

'92 Ford F-150 Flareside: 471

 

'92 Ford F-150: 484

 

'92 F-350 Crew Cab w/Mac's Spring Shop 2-inch lift: 405

 

'94 Ford Ranger SuperCab: 406

 

'94 Ford Explorer Limited 4-dr.: 443

 

'94 Ford F-250 SuperCab: 383

 

'95 Ford F-250 SuperCab: 406

 

'95 Ford Explorer 2-dr.: 391

 

'95 Ford Explorer 4-dr.: 352

 

'97 Ford F-150 SuperCab: 441

 

'92 GMC Sonoma: 354

 

'93 GMC Sonoma Club Coupe: 334

 

'92 GMC K-1500 Suburban: 342

 

'92 GMC K-3500 Crew Cab: 338

 

'95 GMC K-1500 Club Coupe: 387

 

'95 GMC Jimmy 4-dr.: 371

 

'93 Isuzu Rodeo LS: 435

 

'92 Isuzu Trooper LS 4-dr.: 497

 

'93 Isuzu Trooper LS 2-dr.: 508

 

'93 Isuzu Trooper RS 2-dr.: 529

 

'94 Isuzu Rodeo LS: 454

 

'96 Isuzu Rodeo: 464

 

'75 Jeep DJ-5D: 556

 

'92 Jeep Cherokee 4-dr.: 399

 

'92 Jeep Grand Cherokee: 458

 

'93 Jeep Grand Cherokee: 448

 

'93 Jeep Grand Cherokee: 439

 

'96 Jeep Grand Cherokee: 422

 

'96 Jeep Wrangler: 357

 

'96 Jeep Wrangler w/Pro-Comp 2.5-inch lift:532

 

'97 Jeep Wrangler:532

 

'96 Kia Sportage: 471

 

'94 Land Rover Defender 90: 580

 

'95 Land Rover DIscovery: 588

 

'94 Mazda B4000 Cab Plus: 409

 

'92 Mitsubishi Montero 4-dr.: 391

 

'92 Nissan Pathfinder: 511

 

'96 Nissan Pathfinder: 466

 

'92 Oldsmobile Bravada 4-dr.: 411

 

'92 Range Rover County: 670

 

'93 Range Rover County LWB: 588

 

'96 Range Rover 4.0SE: 600

 

'92 Suzuki Sidekick 4-dr.: 379

 

'96 Suzuki Sidekick Sport: 440

 

'96 Suzuki X-90: 441

 

'93 Toyota 4Runner:441

 

'93 Toyota Land Cruiser: 593

 

'93 Toyota T100: 407

 

'95 Toyota T100 XtraCab:369

 

'96 Toyota Tacoma: 435

 

[TNT1]

Oh, and here's a good DIY version to calculate your own RTI:

 

/rti/notRTI.jpg

 

Or maybe not...

 

[EZRider]

 

TZmbt - you should take your tuna and go and do some 4X4 routes! Not the crazy stuff' date=' but the ones as seen on 4X4 veldroetes and the ones shown in SA 4X4, Wegry and Leisure Wheels, which I'm sure you read. It's great fun, and if you know your car, you shouldn't break anything.

I use the Fortuner as a yardstick - if the tuna makes it on a route, my troll should not even break a sweat...

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Maybe I should sias, never tried anything like that.

I use my car to get places. It's just a very useful tool to me. My bicycle on the other hand...

 

[EZRider]

 

"Most people who are anti something don't own it."

 

 

ya well perhaps they don't own it because they are anti the "it" for a good reason....

 

 

like maybe its for bunny hugging reasons that they don't like it

or maybe it's safety related fears

or maybe its the wrong image projector

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or... sometimes they are just anti it because they want to justify their own decisions.

or... it makes them feel superior because they chose something else and how could anybody else choose THAT (kind of how I feel about Land Rover owners. I mean they break, all the time. Don't they? Well, I am sure they do. They must. Everyone says so...)

 

I have been using my Fortuner for nearly four years and it has never broken. Never got stuck. Never tried to kill me or my two young children or my beloved wife. Thats all I know. Thats all I have to go on.

If it was a piece of **** I would say "it is a piece of ****" and sell it. Brand loyalty means nothing to me. I owe Toyota nothing. They took my money and I took their car. That's it

 

[peloton]

A Range Rover's RTI does seem like an interesting benchmark. One could discuss it at length whilst waiting for the recovery team / spares to arrive.

 

 

 

Landrover : A car that'll take you into Africa (but you'll need a lift back home...)

 

 

 

8-)

[WRIGHTLIGHT]

Originally they blamed the Grabber Tyres and did a recall on them.

The tyre shop down the road had around 300 Grabber tyres they had replaced.

Seems as though it is a design flaw and nothing to do with the tyres.

[TNT1]

 

A Range Rover's RTI does seem like an interesting benchmark.

 

Or you could google RTI, and the first 8 hits all started with "RTI doesn't mean anything in terms of a vehicles off road performance"... or some such...

 

[Slowbee]

explosive Builder ....... pm me your addie .. I need to send you something.

[BigGuy]

Another one bit the dust yesterday afternoon on the N1 north at the New road onramp. Highway was closed for about one hour. Coffin on wheels.

 

[dollar]

 

Was it a Fortuner? Saw the news - a family critically injured.  Solo accident - no other cars.

dollar2009-12-21 05:32:44

[BigGuy]

Yes it was a Fortuner.

[dollar]

 

Maybe they are like the old Harvards - Apparently if you hit the gas too hard on take off and are not on the ball the big radial engine causes an immediate right turn!

 

I think that there are many people that will drive these things for ages without incident - but put the right set of conditions together and over you go?

 

dollar2009-12-21 05:59:40

[Montblanc]

 Must agree