Why safety will never happen in a hurry!

[Guest coenie]

 

Nobody  What has a numberplate on the back of a car got to do with safety anyway....

 

 

Once again' date=' its okay for a cyclist driving to break the law but not okay for the everyday driver. So in your mind if you own a bike, you are above the traffic laws? Lets all go get pissed and knock down pedestrians, its okay, i own a bicycle officer.

[/quote']

 

Again I thought you were talking about safety? Did you change it breaking the law now?

 

Not having a numberplate is not UNSAFE (illegal yes) Riding side by side is not illegal(if you overtaking) but it is UNSAFE...

 

So how about keeping the whatever point you are trying to make....

 

[Nobody]

 

Okay, so i posted this hectic statement . 199 hubbers online and

160 guests. only 9 hubbers stood up for what they believed in, after i

got cheeky with them I still only had a few more comebacks. My point is

that someone can say something with some sense and then say something

unreasonable and yet 9 out of 199 people stood up. If cycling is going

to go forward we need more people to stand up other wise its a waste of

time.

 

 

 

What i did is the same as cycling without a helmet yet only a few will

say something. WHY?

Nobody2010-03-17 08:12:17

[Christopher Brunsdon]

First of all your assuming that 199 online hubbers actually read your post!!!

 

I for one did not!

 

[Guest coenie]

 

 

 

What i did is the same as cycling without a helmet yet only a few will

say something. WHY?

 

I believe that every person is responsible for the OWN safety, not wearing a helmet you will only hurt yourself, cycling side by side and pushing me into the road will hurt ME so I will speak up....

 

Makes any sense?

 

[ASTANA]

 

 

 

What i did is the same as cycling without a helmet yet only a few will

say something. WHY?

 

I believe that every person is responsible for the OWN safety' date=' not wearing a helmet you will only hurt yourself, cycling side by side and pushing me into the road will hurt ME so I will speak up....

 

Makes any sense?

[/quote']

 

 

I like.

 

Its like drinking and driving. I, from a cyclist and from a fellow motorist perspective, dont mind if someone gets hammered, drives off the road killing himself - he brought it over himself.

 

The problem comes in that when a drunk of drugged driver drives into me cycling or into me driving - thats something to speak out about and not cool.

 

everything people to to put themselves into danger - I dont mind, its your choice. Not wearing a seat belt, helmet etc - its your own thing, own problem.

 

Makes the point clear. huge difference to Illegal and dangerous.

 

 

 

 

[bubblesm]

Sjoe, but we CAN rant and rave.  Go and check out this post - while we're all at it - https://www.bikehub.co.za/forum_posts.asp?TID=79628&PN=6

 

I am not a regular writer on the hub, but ocassionally something worthwhile catches my eye, and a similar statement I made in the previous post counts here.  Everyone is ranting and raving about who is doing what wrong and pointing fingers and playing the blame game, but boys and girls, this will not get us any closer to a solution.

 

As a matter of fact, while reading these posts I had an epiphany.  Seems like we are so angry with the world for taking out fellow cyclists, motorists, angry at taxis, angry at everyone, that it is much easier for us to take it out on each other, instead of rechanneling all this energy into a solution.

 

Yes wearing arm bands will not make a difference, and yes maybe if cyclists also abided by traffic law people can't point fingures, but complaining about this and having word wars against each other is definitely not going to help!

 

Action might bring us closer to a solution.

[GoLefty!!]

 

 

 

What i did is the same as cycling without a helmet yet only a few will

say something. WHY?

 

I believe that every person is responsible for the OWN safety' date=' not wearing a helmet you will only hurt yourself, cycling side by side and pushing me into the road will hurt ME so I will speak up....

 

Makes any sense?

[/quote']

 

 

I like.

 

Its like drinking and driving. I, from a cyclist and from a fellow motorist perspective, dont mind if someone gets hammered, drives off the road killing himself - he brought it over himself.

 

The problem comes in that when a drunk of drugged driver drives into me cycling or into me driving - thats something to speak out about and not cool.

 

everything people to to put themselves into danger - I dont mind, its your choice. Not wearing a seat belt, helmet etc - its your own thing, own problem.

 

Makes the point clear. huge difference to Illegal and dangerous.

 

 

 

 

 

 

eeer theres seriously flawed logic going on here.

 

Drunk and driving is illegal and unsafe, irrespective of the outcome.

Sometimes you get lucky and you don't hurt anyone, but oneday you will. Thats how luck works. if you advocate that luck is the ruling force then you are advocating lawlessness until a dire event. Thats wrong.

 

I from whatever perspective, I as a motorist and a cyclist and pedestrian do give a rats ass about the fool getting his car and driving home while drunk.

 

Judging actions by outcomes alone is very flawed and extremely short sighted.

 

You either abide by the law or you don't.

 

if more people abide by it then we'll have fewer unlucky outcomes; death, hit and runs, MVA's etc, etc.

 

 

But hey, what do I know, I'm just a self righteous prick...

 

[Mojoman]

What i did is the same as cycling without a helmet yet only a few will say something. WHY?

I believe that every person is responsible for the OWN safety' date=' not wearing a helmet you will only hurt yourself, cycling side by side and pushing me into the road will hurt ME so I will speak up....

Makes any sense?
[/quote']



I like.

Its like drinking and driving. I, from a cyclist and from a fellow motorist perspective, dont mind if someone gets hammered, drives off the road killing himself - he brought it over himself.

The problem comes in that when a drunk of drugged driver drives into me cycling or into me driving - thats something to speak out about and not cool.

everything people to to put themselves into danger - I dont mind, its your choice. Not wearing a seat belt, helmet etc - its your own thing, own problem.

Makes the point clear. huge difference to Illegal and dangerous.

eeer theres seriously flawed logic going on here.

Drunk and driving is illegal and unsafe, irrespective of the outcome.
Sometimes you get lucky and you don't hurt anyone, but oneday you will. Thats how luck works. if you advocate that luck is the ruling force then you are advocating lawlessness until a dire event. Thats wrong.

I from whatever perspective, I as a motorist and a cyclist and pedestrian do give a rats ass about the fool getting his car and driving home while drunk.

Judging actions by outcomes alone is very flawed and extremely short sighted.

You either abide by the law or you don't.

if more people abide by it then we'll have fewer unlucky outcomes; death, hit and runs, MVA's etc, etc.


But hey, what do I know, I'm just a self righteous prick...

 

Just like the rest of us it appears!!

[GoLefty!!]

well then we start from common ground

[singletrack]

I agree with NOBODY to a certain degree, except for the "mowing them down part". Examples must be made, and sadly, some of these examples have to be hard lessons and it should be directed to the cycling community in general.

I had the opportunity this year NOT to ride the Argus; however I was there observing. From what I have seen is that the attitudes of the cyclists is a disgrace to say the least. And this towards each other of all things. This leads me to believe that it is easy for that attitude to spill over into their general lives, which includes driving cars while talking on the phone.

 

I have posted on another forum and it reads as follows:

 

We are all devastated with all the cyclists knocked down and who sadly

passed away, but we need to get our own house in order first before we

can expect the motorists to treat us with respect. At this very section (the section of the Argus route I stood at),

the attitude amongst cyclists were nothing to be proud of. Actually, it

made me want to ditch my bicycle in the sea and deny the fact that I am a

cyclist. Bumping each other all over the place, swearing at each other

once they get the opportunity to pass another cyclist when given the

chance. This makes me wonder how they drive their cars! All of this for a

few seconds better/faster? Is it really worth the stress you put yourself and

the other cyclists through and making you want to forget this particular

race?

 

Coenie, You said that we are responsible for our own safety? What about a situation whereby a motorvehicle driver was frustrated about something a cyclist(s) has done to him recently, like eg, cycling 2/3 abreast and said driver "takes a chance" and it turns out for the worst and knocks/kills a cyclist? This has happend before. have you ever heard a conversation start with "You know, those cyclists... they just piss me off so much because they....". How do you feel about being associated with these cyclists under the blanket of "those cyclists"? the ones who gives our sport a bad name when you try your best to be responsible and obey the rules of the road? How can we take responsibility for our own safety if it is caused by the irresponsible actions of others in our sport?

 

In Closing: Nobody... Someone had to open their eyes. If they want to take offense to it, then so be it. It COULD just mean that they are one of the guilty ones.

 

[GoLefty!!]

what I found most appalling was the attitude of cyclist toward their children at the Junior Cycle Tour and the Tricycle Tour.

 

lets see this is a fun event for little kids. Yet, their over competitive mothers and fathers felt the need to;

 

shout at little Johnny for not riding fast enough (vok Ma, hy's net 3!!)

 

shout at little suzzie for wanting to chat to other children while riding (FFS she's a girl, she chats)

 

shout at other peoples children to hold their line!!?!!! (no really!!)

 

Mum told her daughter, "theres no time to drink, we need to catch up...

 

 

and the list goes on...

 

 

but hey, I'm just self righteous prick

 

[Shebeen]

Dude you such a mofo...not wearing a helmet' date=' riding three abreast,talking on your mobile etc. are all choices and we have to live with our choices. Getting creamed by a car is not your choice, and sadly more often than not there is no life left to live with those choices. [/quote']

So breaking the law is an acceptable choice. Thats the mindset I am talking about.

 

not so sure those are actually breaking the law...

[Flowta]

 

Dude you such a mofo...not wearing a helmet' date=' riding three abreast,talking on your mobile etc. are all choices and we have to live with our choices. Getting creamed by a car is not your choice, and sadly more often than not there is no life left to live with those choices. [/quote']

 

So breaking the law is an acceptable choice. Thats the mindset I am talking about.

 

not so sure those are actually breaking the law...

 

Those are all breaking the law.

 

[GoLefty!!]

+1, those are all breaking the law.

 

riding without a helmet+

riding three abreast +

talking on your mobile while driving a vehicle = 3 offenses.

 

bicycles are vehicles so in effect answering a call while riding your bicycle is illegal unless you use a hands free.

riding without holding the bars is illegal too!

 

[Eldron]

In closing I'd like to add: You're a cock.

 

It reads' date=' types, copies AND pastes? Genius alert.

 

Go on - stretch yourself and call me a name. You can do it. Pratt and wally are two of my favourites.

[/quote']

Sorry Eldron, was actually agreeing with you, but forgot to put in the before i clicked "post reply"

 

Damn! Just when I was lining up for a my dad can beat up your dad internet debate. No fun

 

I take back the genius alert comment

[Eldron]

Sadly I think this problem extends WAAAAAAY further than cyclists - it seems to me that "f*ck you mate - I'm ok" is the general attitude of most people.

 

I rode Sabie a few weeks back - the mtb toting cars were speeding, overtaking on dodgy sections of road and generally acting like idiots.

 

Once at the race they rode 2/3/4 abreast on the road to the start - some on phones, some without helmets.

 

On the highways I see drunk/stupid pedestrians.

 

In the traffic I see speeding, crazy overtaking, emergency lane driving, lack of indicators etc.

 

In the boardroom I see creative accounting, "little white lies" to customers, dodgy business dealings, "finders fees", bribes.

 

There doesn't seem to be an area in society where rules/morals/ethics/repsect for your fellow man exists anymore. These kinds of "rules" seem to be the preserve of close friends and family (and even that is debatable).

 

Sadly the way cyclists behave is only an small respresentative sample of society as a whole.