CSA Racing rules 2011

[scotty]

I know of more and more fun riders that "pirate" organised races: they save the bucks; they don't have to worry about where they are seeded, they just join the start group that suits them. They time themselves...they don't care about the medals! When last have you seen anyone kicked out of a start group because they are not wearing a number? In the OFM I saw a father and son combination wearing short distance numbers but they were doing the full distance.

There is no verification of race entry to chip so you can even get an official finish time without entering the race.

[DB28]

So CSA have re-revised the rules and it's now as follows:

 

Category 1 - Elite, U23, Juniors and Vets30-39 (top teams).

Category 2 - Top 150-200 Vets (not in category 1) by seeding (prize money to the to 10 (irrespective of age) and top 6 for woman.

Category 3 - Next 150-200 Vets by seeding - prize money the same as Category 2 for positions.

Category 4 - Next 150-200 Vets by seeding - prize money to top 5 positions.

 

The woman will slot into Category 2 or 3 depending on their seeding for each race.

This means that 50 spots out of the 150-200 in Cat2/3 will be replaced by the ladies.

 

Read more about it in the attached file... Road Race Regulations (Top Clubs - Racing Categories) 291010.pdf

 

in the pdf it does not say 150-200 vets by seeding. it just says, Next 150-­‐200 full racing license registered riders. so i dont think that cat 2,3, and 4 will only be made up of the remaining vets and women... your individual juniors, elites and u23 riders will also fit into these groups. am i right? if it so then i like it, a lot! because with me being an u23 rider not on a team i hope to race in cat2 next year and not the open seeded bunches!

 

i think CSA are on to something that can definitely work now! The cycling public and race organizers just need to buy into it and give CSA a chance. We will never get anywhere if all parties keep pulling against each other and never come to an agreement. im looking forward to the official announcement on the Racing regulations... i just hope it comes soon so that all the finer details can be ironed out, such as moving up and down between cats. I will gladly pay the R350 license fee if they adopt these regulations.

[Spinnekop]

in the pdf it does not say 150-200 vets by seeding. it just says, Next 150-­‐200 full racing license registered riders. so i dont think that cat 2,3, and 4 will only be made up of the remaining vets and women... your individual juniors, elites and u23 riders will also fit into these groups. am i right?

 

That's what I've got as well.

Seriously looking forward to this racing structure!!!

 

 

i think CSA are on to something that can definitely work now! The cycling public and race organizers just need to buy into it and give CSA a chance. We will never get anywhere if all parties keep pulling against each other and never come to an agreement. im looking forward to the official announcement on the Racing regulations... i just hope it comes soon so that all the finer details can be ironed out, such as moving up and down between cats. I will gladly pay the R350 license fee if they adopt these regulations.

 

 

Yup Yup. If Version 3.0 stays as is, I am game for some serious racing!!!

[Calooker]

????? Juniors with restricted gears racing against Elites ??? That can't be UCI, will have something to say about that

What are they thinking?

Then having women racing with the men? What is going to happen when it comes to seading, there are probably less than 5 women in the country that will be able to keep up with the vets bunch, what is that going to help? Tactics will be out the window it will be a question of the one who suvives in the mens bunch wins.

I still don't see the benifit of the changes they plan on imposing, am I missing something???

[Spinnekop]

????? Juniors with restricted gears racing against Elites ??? That can't be UCI, will have something to say about that

What are they thinking?

Then having women racing with the men? What is going to happen when it comes to seading, there are probably less than 5 women in the country that will be able to keep up with the vets bunch, what is that going to help? Tactics will be out the window it will be a question of the one who suvives in the mens bunch wins.

I still don't see the benifit of the changes they plan on imposing, am I missing something???

 

There is NO MORE junior bunches.....where have you been??

[Guest Bpayne]

This may of been asked in the last few pages but how are riders meant to get noticed and swept up by Pro Teams if they cant get noticed cause you need to ride as a team member in Cat1?

[Spinnekop]

Then having women racing with the men? What is going to happen when it comes to seeding, there are probably less than 5 women in the country that will be able to keep up with the vets bunch, what is that going to help?

 

This was done in 2008 with the Super Series. It worked. Everyone kept up and racing improved.

There are actually some talented ladies out there if they get pushed to the limits a bit!

 

Tactics will be out the window it will be a question of the one who suvives in the mens bunch wins.

I still don't see the benefit of the changes they plan on imposing, am I missing something???

 

You race for a top 10. Easy......everyone seeded with you are of the same capability...thus you must be able to compete....if not, you are not seeded correctly and in time will drop or climb to a seeding that is correct.......

 

As for the benefit.....

 

Cat 1 guys will start learning how to race as a team. Race bunches. Race longer distances.

Cat 1 will be some PDI and U23 development with minimum requirements for teams to add these type of riders.

Cat 2 will see the ladies racing picking up with cool tactics developing as in 2008.....

 

 

Make any sense?

[DB28]

????? Juniors with restricted gears racing against Elites ??? That can't be UCI, will have something to say about that

What are they thinking?

Then having women racing with the men? What is going to happen when it comes to seading, there are probably less than 5 women in the country that will be able to keep up with the vets bunch, what is that going to help? Tactics will be out the window it will be a question of the one who suvives in the mens bunch wins.

I still don't see the benifit of the changes they plan on imposing, am I missing something???

 

I think it'll do the world of good for the juniors and the women, it'll up their game close enough to the level of junior and women racing in Europe in terms of bunch size, race speed, race distance etc... if they stick with this system for at least the next 5 years then i bet we will start to see some really good results by RSA riders on the international scene, women and men.

[Frosty]

????? Juniors with restricted gears racing against Elites ??? That can't be UCI, will have something to say about that

What are they thinking?

Then having women racing with the men? What is going to happen when it comes to seading, there are probably less than 5 women in the country that will be able to keep up with the vets bunch, what is that going to help? Tactics will be out the window it will be a question of the one who suvives in the mens bunch wins.

I still don't see the benifit of the changes they plan on imposing, am I missing something???

Junior Men are allowed to race up to 140Km - rule 2.3.002

Junior Woman are only allowed up to 80Km, so can't see how they should be allowed to be grouped with the 100Km

 

It's 4 different groups in Category 1, and there's prize money for the top 10 overall, plus top 3 for the U23, Juniors and Vets.

This means the juniors will have their own race within a race, as will the Vets and U23. The stronger riders in these groups would then give the Elites a run for their money.

 

The same will happen with the woman. There will be a few woman who will be able to stay with the men, but it's prize money for the top 10 and then top 6 woman.

[Spinnekop]

This may of been asked in the last few pages but how are riders meant to get noticed and swept up by Pro Teams if they cant get noticed cause you need to ride as a team member in Cat1?

 

I think this is the main issue with this whole V3.0

Cat 1 is still reserved for TEAMS and not INDIVIDUALS. Thus the individual will have to organise a team to get to Cat 1 to get noticed.

Bit of a closed gate for "development" if you ask me.....but no one is asking so I might as well shut up.

 

There is a back door though......

Summery: Cat 1:

U23 / ELITE TOP CLUBS

30+ TOP CLUBS

JUNIOR TOP CLUBS

INDIVIDUAL ENTRIES

(DISCRETION OF ROAD COMM)

[Frosty]

I think this is the main issue with this whole V3.0

Cat 1 is still reserved for TEAMS and not INDIVIDUALS. Thus the individual will have to organise a team to get to Cat 1 to get noticed.

Bit of a closed gate for "development" if you ask me.....but no one is asking so I might as well shut up.

 

There is a back door though......

Summery: Cat 1:

U23 / ELITE TOP CLUBS

30+ TOP CLUBS

JUNIOR TOP CLUBS

INDIVIDUAL ENTRIES

(DISCRETION OF ROAD COMM)

For next year, even if race organisers have submitted their race plan about 6 months ahead of the race, it could all change on race day - depending on the Chief Commissaire, he has the final say on the day. If he doesn't like this or that, he'll change it to suite - that's what the RED bit means above, or at least how it was explained to our race chief organiser.

[Frosty]

Oh, and one more thing about these NEW rulings... CSA want race organisers to step up and properly organise a race, with support from CSA.

This could mean events that don't comply will fall of the list of CSA-sanctioned events.

 

Now start asking where some of your membership fees are going to.

[DB28]

This may of been asked in the last few pages but how are riders meant to get noticed and swept up by Pro Teams if they cant get noticed cause you need to ride as a team member in Cat1?

 

just a scenario...

 

i am an individual u23 cat2 racer... i perform well in cat2, show consistency and start winning every odd race. team MTN loses a rider like Jaco Venter to an overseas team and then need another rider for the following year to keep their team up to strength... they look at cat2 and see i have been winning left, right and centre all year long- bobs your uncle... i get a SA pro contract with a team.

 

make sense?

 

i think cat 2 is going to be the most competitive bunch of the lot...

[CScriba]

Ya boet your 100% right hey...its like a feeder bunch for pro teams, allows cat2 to race like normal, without teams though, and not interfere with the pro racing, but can still allow the good okes to be recognised....

 

i think what CSA has now is actually a great strategy, there are some little hickups to sort out but overall its actually great!!

 

if it sucks, we can anyway all just boycott them and get it back to normal?

[CScriba]

I think this is the main issue with this whole V3.0

Cat 1 is still reserved for TEAMS and not INDIVIDUALS. Thus the individual will have to organise a team to get to Cat 1 to get noticed.

Bit of a closed gate for "development" if you ask me.....but no one is asking so I might as well shut up.

 

There is a back door though......

Summery: Cat 1:

U23 / ELITE TOP CLUBS

30+ TOP CLUBS

JUNIOR TOP CLUBS

INDIVIDUAL ENTRIES

(DISCRETION OF ROAD COMM)

 

As i saw this, it was only for SA champs that individual riders could ride at the discression of comms....other races are strictly for teams i think

 

maby it still changes ?

[Spinnekop]

Some positive feedback regarding V3.0

 

Good stuff CSA!