BEST WAY TO CURB YOUR APPETITE?

[CharlV]

Because we tend to eat our biggest meal a couple hours before we sleep, sleep slows down you metabolism, and you are'nt burning those callories. So the body turns that food into fat stores.

 

Or so the story goes. Ive seen people loose wheight by eating exactly what they want but they made lunch their big meal and dinner time was basically a snack.

 

 

include me on that stat ,lost 10 Kg in 4 months eating big at lunch and last solids at 06h00 pm

[chris_w_65]

Sounds just like thins... Man I used to work on that when I was a waiter at Spur. Lost a lot of weight there, but the crash after that was not so great. My ex did not like the zombie who got home every night after a 16 hour shift.

 

Back in the day we used to take Thinz and go party. Didn't touch alcohol but drank plenty water. Didn't do it often though because as you said, you don't feel great after. Also can take a while before you sleep. There is another side effect I probably shouldn't discuss here, you probably know what it is.

[Cois]

It can get you banned for cycling? Thinz I mean... If I am not wrong it is like taking a shot of E...

I have nothing to hide of the dumb old days.

 

Hold on... Found this:

 

Thinz original has been banned from over counter sale in South Africa and the United Kingdom and probably a few more countries as well, leaving it’s faithfull followers in a Tizz as to what product to use to continue in their weight loss or weight control programs. Thinz had been made a schedule 6 drug in S.A, which means that it is only available on a doctors prescription, which is well monitored by the authorities.

 

Thinz was an excellent appetite supressant, and was probably one of the top selling weight loss supplements or diet pills of all time. However Thinz was banned due to the possibility of misuse in that the main ingredient of Thinz, d-norpseudoephedrine hydrochloride, is used in the manufacture of the deadly drug “CAT”. Thinz was also a amphetamine and hence produced a mild addiction, which is one of the reasons that it enjoyed such a loyal following.

Edited December 30, 2010 by Cois

[chris_w_65]

include me on that stat ,lost 10 Kg in 4 months eating big at lunch and last solids at 06h00 pm

 

If you are eating the correct ammount of Calories surely you would be low on glycogen when you eat your last meal of the day. Why would your body store energy as fat when it needs to top up your glycogen stores? Even if it ignored your lack of glycogen and stored it as fat wouldn't you burn it the next morning because you were short of glycogen to use?

[chris_w_65]

It can get you banned for cycling? Thinz I mean... If I am not wrong it is like taking a shot of E...

I have nothing to hide of the dumb old days.

 

Hold on... Found this:

 

Not really like E but it could certainly make you party through the night and cheaply without alcohol

 

There was another one called Nobese too. I think it may still be available but perscription only

[chris_w_65]

Here is some info about the cousins Al and Clen (Albuterol is an over the counter bronchodialator)

 

Albuterol is very closely related to Clenbuterol (often simply called “Clen”), which has been a drug athletes have been using for literally decades to lose fat. Although it’s typically thought of as only a shorter acting version of Clenbuterol, that’s not 100% correct, and Albuterol actually has some benefits that Clen doesn’tJust like Clen, Albuterol binds to the beta 2 adrenergic receptors. Beta 2 receptor stimulation is a very potent mechanism for initiating fat loss. Stimulating the beta-2 receptors found in fat cells activates hormone sensitive lipase, to break up stored fat into free fatty acids which are then used as fuel by the body (1). Once those fatty acids are broken up, Albuterol then has the added effect of elevating your metabolism, which helps you use the free fatty acids that it has broken up. It’s a very potent fat burner, as a result of both being able to break up stored fat and make it available as energy, as well as increasing the rate at which this energy is used.

 

Interestingly, while Clenbuterol increases both muscle size and strength in animal studies (2), the same thing isn’t necessarily true in humans, and if it is, actual studies proving so are nearly impossible to find. It’s suspected to possibly do this, but there’s really no hard evidence of it. And since it’s not approved by the FDA for use in humans, non-anecdotal data proving that Clen actually builds muscle or increases performance is scarce. Since it’s approved by the FDA for use in asthmatics, studies on humans and Albuterol, regarding exercise performance are more plentiful. In multiple studies, it has been suggested strongly that it increases strength as well as endurance in humans (3,4). Clen, on the other hand, has anecdotally been reported to reduce endurance in athletes who use it.

 

In addition, Albuterol may even help the lipid profile (cholesterol)(5), which is definitely something that steroid using athletes may want to consider, when deciding whether or not to include Albuterol in a cutting cycle. In fact, a small dose of it might be useful on nearly any cycle, because of this characteristic.

 

The main difference between Albuterol and Clen is that Albuterol has a significantly shorter half life of Albuterol. If Clenbuterol happens to give you insomnia, then Albuterol is a much better alternative, because it’s not going to build up in your system to the same degree that Clen can.

 

I’m typically much more confident recommending Albuterol to athletes instead of Clen, because stimulant induced anxiety and insomnia seem to be much less likely. Also, due to the shorter half life, there’s probably a much lower level of beta-2 receptor downgrade, but the trade off is more frequent dosing. Two to four milligrams, three to four times a day is usually sufficient for an anabolic as well as fat burning effect.

[CharlV]

Here is some info about the cousins Al and Clen (Albuterol is an over the counter bronchodialator)

 

Albuterol is very closely related to Clenbuterol (often simply called “Clen”), which has been a drug athletes have been using for literally decades to lose fat. .....................................

 

Although it’s typically thought of as only a shorter acting version of Clenbuterol, that’s not 100% correct, and Albuterol actually has some benefits that Clen doesn’tJust like Clen, Albuterol binds to the beta 2 adrenergic receptors. Beta 2 receptor stimulation is a very potent mechanism for initiating fat loss. Stimulating the beta-2 receptors found in fat cells activates hormone sensitive lipase, to break up stored fat into free fatty acids which are then used as fuel by the body (1). Once those fatty acids are broken up, Albuterol then has the added effect of elevating your metabolism, which helps you use the free fatty acids that it has broken up. It’s a very potent fat burner, as a result of both being able to break up stored fat and make it available as energy, as well as increasing the rate at which this energy is used.

 

I’m typically much more confident recommending Albuterol to athletes instead of Clen, because stimulant induced anxiety and insomnia seem to be much less likely. Also, due to the shorter half life, there’s probably a much lower level of beta-2 receptor downgrade, but the trade off is more frequent dosing. Two to four milligrams, three to four times a day is usually sufficient for an anabolic as well as fat burning effect.

 

 

Chris

 

Quite a mouth full geez!! if i understand you correctly Albuterol is an over the counter cough mixture that can assist with burning away my last 6kg's? obviuosly also sticking to normal cycling routine etc..

[chris_w_65]

Chris

 

Quite a mouth full geez!! if i understand you correctly Albuterol is an over the counter cough mixture that can assist with burning away my last 6kg's? obviuosly also sticking to normal cycling routine etc..

 

So they say. They say it is quite safe too, more so than Clen.

Disclaimer - I know nothing about it, I just found it on Google last night but thought it was interesting being Clenbuterol's cousin (made famous by Contador). Google it some more.

 

I think it is more of an asthma medication

 

Anyone tried it? More info?

Edited December 31, 2010 by chris_w_65

[andydude]

From: http://ginews.blogspot.com/

 

Busting Food Myths with Nicole Senior

Myth: You have to avoid carbs after 5pm to lose weight.

 

Nicole Senior

 

Fact: The time of day you eat carbs makes no difference to your weight – it’s the total amount you eat over the day that counts.

Avoiding carbs after five is popular advice, often given by people in the fitness industry to assist their clients lose weight. There’s even a diet book of the same name. While proponents may mean well, such advice simply adds to the mythology around weight loss. Following this advice might even work in the short term, but this only compounds the misunderstanding about why.

 

Similar to the previous myth ‘eating at night makes you fat’ (GI News November 2007) , the timing of carb intake is physiologically irrelevant; it’s the amount and type you eat that matters. There’s not a single study on the National Library of Medicine (PubMed) database about carbohydrate timing and weight loss (however, there’s plenty on carb timing and athletic performance if you’re interested).

 

Like other diets that restrict a particular nutrient or food group, the advice to avoid carbs after 5pm is simply a kilojoule/calorie reduction strategy dressed up as something catchier. When you think of a typical evening meal of chicken, noodles and vegetables, it’s not hard to see how skipping noodles creates a kilojoule deficit. If you can do it, great – it is possible to eat enough grain foods (preferably wholegrain and low GI) at other times during the day.

 

However a common experience of evening carb avoiders is they are still hungry after dinner and that’s when TV snacking can wreak havoc. Biscuits, chocolate and sweets are common evening saboteurs and they all contain carbohydrates. (And a side note, many people don’t understand that sugar is a carbohydrate too, which results in starchy foods getting a bad rap and sugar sailing through unsullied). Unfortunately the biscuits and chocolate also contain hefty amounts of saturated fat and kilojoules as well. This carb-craving may be physiological or psychological but it doesn’t really matter – the kilojoule damage is done.

 

The ‘no carbs after 5pm’ rule – and its variants 4pm and 6pm – is part of a dieting mentality we know is inherently unsustainable, although to be fair it is a much more moderate ‘low-carb’ diet. By deliberately depriving ourselves of commonly eaten, enjoyable foods we repeatedly build up psychological pressure that eventually results in overeating blow-outs: the classic dieting merry-go-round.

 

A far more balanced approach to lose weight is to eat smaller portions of carb-rich core foods like bread, pasta, rice, noodles and the like, and choose lower GI versions combined with plenty of vegetables and satisfying amounts of lean meat, chicken, fish or vegetarian alternatives. In nutrition circles, this is what we call a ‘balanced meal’. Unfortunately for many, the ‘moderation’ message is boring and unappealing.

 

This situation is not helped by the diet industries who also know the moderation message doesn’t sell and come up with all manner of trumped-up benefits and half-baked theories as to why their diet will actually work when all they are doing is selling creative ways to eat fewer kilojoules.

 

To lose weight we must reconcile the facts we must eat less and exercise more, and all the while ensure we eat quality foods to meet our nutritional needs. Blacklisting particular nutrients like carbs or fats is not helpful to this end. Prioritising nutrient rich foods from all the food groups in suitable amounts according to our energy needs is the answer.

[covie]

Even though thats an interesting article, it makes a load of assumptions, nobody says just eating carbs or your main meal earlier is the success to loosing weight. It does however make a shaitload of sense, that you burn most of your energy during the day, and you convert most of your food into fat while you sleep. So it stands to logical reasoning that if you burn off most of your carbs when you are most active.

 

Obviously that needs to conform to and excersize regime, and a blanced diet. and not that I am an expert it does make logical sense to me. I think this article is written in the context of, if you eat a load of crap during the day, and a smaller portion of crap in the evening you wont loose weight. In which case it would be acurate.

[Slowbee]

and while on this topic - how many of you have a sit down supper meal to catch up with the family ?

 

all these recommendations of "snacking" at supper - how does that fit in with the family ?

[Lucky Luke.]

and while on this topic - how many of you have a sit down supper meal to catch up with the family ?

 

all these recommendations of "snacking" at supper - how does that fit in with the family ?

 

Ja, pretty hard to have a light snack at supper at my house. My wife cooks up a storm and light snacking is heavily frowned upon.

[MDW]

It's not so simple saying when u sleep u convert calories into fat, the thing is folks you burn calories while you are sleeping and depending on the kind of pre sleep meals you have you can burn off quite a bit. The way you can tell if you are eating decently is when you wake up in the morning you should fee th following

1. Energetic

2. Appetitie you should feel like eating

3. Feel good

 

If you actually sleep less than required that can also lead to weight gain there are key hours when one should be asleep in order to take advantage of certain hormone release miss those and it's problematic with time.

 

If you don't feel the 3 mentioned above re think your diet and lifestyle

 

As for the family time great to hear that it's so

Important

 

:-)

[chris_w_65]

From: http://ginews.blogspot.com/

 

Busting Food Myths with Nicole Senior

Myth: You have to avoid carbs after 5pm to lose weight.

 

 

+1 on this

 

I also question the exersise before breakfast thing. You cycle on an empty stomach and use glycogen. You then come home and eat your breakfast and replenish the glycogen. I think the story that it speeds up your metabolism and you burn fat the whole day is a load of cr@p. The only way this can be true is if your heart rate remains a few beats higher than it would have for the rest of the day and this would burn more energy

[Noneking]

I was drinking 6 - 8 every evening, that can't help

 

I have lost about 18kg in 20 weeks. Would have lost a bit more but I have been off the bike for almost 5 weeks.

Edited January 4, 2011 by Cannas

[chris_w_65]

You're not trying hard enough!!

 

Busted collar bone and ribs

 

No excuse now, I should have been back on the bike last week but it is hard to get going again

 

And it is 19kg now

Edited January 4, 2011 by chris_w_65