kosmonooit Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 Take a listen to what John Fahey - President, World Anti-Doping Agency has to say on the BBC's Hardtalk
GrumpyOldGuy Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 Take a listen to what John Fahey - President, World Anti-Doping Agency has to say on the BBC's Hardtalk Not playing on my side, what essentially do's he say.?
goya-goya Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 Yes the half life is a few days but surely it would have shown up in earlier tests if he had been taking it for performance enhancing reasons? But as the Doc says in that video I posted, it has to be taken repeatedly for it to work. Half-Life is 36 hours.. I bet all you blokes whole say he was doping with Clenbuterol are fair-weather Manchester United supporters too Newcastle for president Seriously guys... the bloke weighs a feather... why would he need to use that *** to increase muscle mass / weight loss (sic) Even if he took it the day before... the moles would have been waaaaaaay higher! They were last trying to surmise that it was in his supplements.. . NO PROOF... the burden of proof is somehow switched to the defendant who has the burden of innocence! How on earth can you prove that you ate meat that was tarnished... it may have been 1 animal from 1 farmer who was trying to make money in hard times... even if it was 100 animals... that meat is all gone now... sic...sic...sic
'Dale Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 Half-Life is 36 hours.. I bet all you blokes whole say he was doping with Clenbuterol are fair-weather Manchester United supporters too Newcastle for president Seriously guys... the bloke weighs a feather... why would he need to use that *** to increase muscle mass / weight loss (sic) Even if he took it the day before... the moles would have been waaaaaaay higher! They were last trying to surmise that it was in his supplements.. . NO PROOF... the burden of proof is somehow switched to the defendant who has the burden of innocence! How on earth can you prove that you ate meat that was tarnished... it may have been 1 animal from 1 farmer who was trying to make money in hard times... even if it was 100 animals... that meat is all gone now... sic...sic...sic Good points here, goya-goya... It seems as if the notion of 'reasonable doubt' and 'innocent until proven guilty' does not apply in sports court.Hearing the verdict being broadcasted on Supercycling last night, I heard "It was unlikely that it was ingested through contaminated steak... It is likely to have been intentionally ...."
fandacious Posted February 15, 2012 Posted February 15, 2012 Good points here, goya-goya... It seems as if the notion of 'reasonable doubt' and 'innocent until proven guilty' does not apply in sports court.Hearing the verdict being broadcasted on Supercycling last night, I heard "It was unlikely that it was ingested through contaminated steak... It is likely to have been intentionally ...." he was probably using clen during off season to drop weight, and didnt clean the blood properly. Later on in the year he did a transfusion using the tainted bloood and thats where the clen came from
goya-goya Posted February 15, 2012 Posted February 15, 2012 all speculation... and the worst is that it was 400 less than the smallest amount that they test for anything in your system! if he did dope(sic) then the precedent set on other clenbuterol athletes should have presided!
Wyatt Earp Posted February 15, 2012 Posted February 15, 2012 all speculation... and the worst is that it was 400 less than the smallest amount that they test for anything in your system! if he did dope(sic) then the precedent set on other clenbuterol athletes should have presided!Yip, in light of that they should have let him go, but they didn't.As I have said repeatedly they caught the last bits of what was left. FanD explains it quite nicely. Not likely. They test for all masking agents that would hide the use of clenbuterol. The most likely case is that he infused blood taken from earlier in the year when he was using clenbuterol. I reckon it's time all his fans take their admiration, put it aside for a little while and look at the real situation instead of feeling sorry for him the whole time. But then again people are gullible ,they worshipped Basso the minute he returned.
Lucky Luke. Posted February 15, 2012 Posted February 15, 2012 Good points here, goya-goya... No, those were not good points. They were dumb ones lacking any insight into how doping actually works. Stuff that has been explained here and elsewhere many many times. Good use of emoticons though. I can see you had a lot of fun bashing that post out.
scotty Posted February 15, 2012 Posted February 15, 2012 all speculation... and the worst is that it was 400 less than the smallest amount that they test for anything in your system! if he did dope(sic) then the precedent set on other clenbuterol athletes should have presided!It has Li Fuyu was found positive and kicked out of cycling. His team Radio Shack (presumably the worst doping offenders) also fired him.
Lucky Luke. Posted February 15, 2012 Posted February 15, 2012 It has Li Fuyu was found positive and kicked out of cycling. His team Radio Shack (presumably the worst doping offenders) also fired him. more to that story. do some reading bud. Li Fuyu was a patsy - Bruyneel threw him under the bus.
scotty Posted February 15, 2012 Posted February 15, 2012 (edited) Rumor has it Contador could have proved his innocence by providing a hair sample which could prove deliberate abuse. However Contador was reluctant as it would mess up his hair Hair tests could prove deliberate Clenbuterol abuse http://www.cyclingne...enbuterol-abuse Edited February 15, 2012 by scotty
Wyatt Earp Posted February 15, 2012 Posted February 15, 2012 (edited) No, those were not good points. They were dumb ones lacking any insight into how doping actually works. Stuff that has been explained here and elsewhere many many times. Good use of emoticons though. I can see you had a lot of fun bashing that post out. Dale loves to be neutral, it's only the wit ous that get's him riled up.Now if all these fans would just get over their school boy crush for Contador, we could all move on. Edited February 15, 2012 by Dangle
'Dale Posted February 15, 2012 Posted February 15, 2012 That's tough... Ullrich is banned to participate from any races in Germany, even amateur races. The German Cycling Federation 'vattiekakkie'.
'Dale Posted February 15, 2012 Posted February 15, 2012 No, those were not good points. They were dumb ones lacking any insight into how doping actually works. Stuff that has been explained here and elsewhere many many times. Oh, okay... kinda made sense to me.
kosmonooit Posted February 16, 2012 Posted February 16, 2012 he was probably using clen during off season to drop weight, and didnt clean the blood properly. Later on in the year he did a transfusion using the tainted bloood and thats where the clen came from How does that theory tie in the 1/2 life of Clem being 36 hours?
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