Captain Fastbastard Mayhem

Funny, this. I'd wager that the vast majority of people who are on those xc race machines would be far better served with something longer and slacker, and would still be just as comfortable on those stage races with something that doesn't turn them into a jittery mess when they encounter something other than a berm or keep track.

"Myles-way-or-the-highway" approach ???? I'm gonna remember that one. Never gonna have that approach, though, and I do adapt my recommendations to suit the circumstances. No point in recommending a Mary / assguy / eliminator to an xco racer, much like I'd never recommend a racing Ralph to someone who is 120kg or looking for more grip.

Fwiw mate, it's time to get serious with those things. Just flat out tell your mother / her mother not to do it. Don't tell the kids you're clamping down on them as well, rather frame it as dad needs some help and the abundance of stuff is impeding you drastically (cos it is, after all) and get the entire family on board. My 2c, and it's being said to me just as much as you

Yeah, I reckon the over-run is to prevent the riders from taking it too far past the peak power RPM and losing out on acceleration. It's not always good to go to the limit in every gear, if peak power is 1250RPM below that.

^^this. Also, a rider on a slacker, longer bike that isn't an XCO / XCM weapon will be far more confident in the bike's abilities, and be afforded a far easier skills & confidence growth curve than the same guy on a steep, conservative 100mm XCO / XCM weapon. Purely down to the geometry and travel safety net. They feel more confident, comfortable and at ease with riding things more technical and progressing with their skills. IMO XC race machines should only be sold to those who are gravel grinding or interested in competing at the pointy end of the field in an XCM / XCO race. Everyone else should at least be on a trance 29 / tranny smuggler etc. Not necessarily oodles of travel, but good geometry that inspires confidence.

Just use em for anyting...

Essentially the lower of the road bike's redline + 3% or revs @ max power + 1,100 RPM.

Not quite. Mark Bracks: So the changes for the year, what do they entail and what do they mean? Scott Smart: “Basically we’ve got a bunch of new riders on a bunch of new bikes and as a result they need starting points for the revs. The way the revs starting point works; you take the street bike, check where the rev limiter is, which is the most horrifying thing on the dyno runs in the factory, and that gives us standard street bike max revs, and we add three per cent to that and it gives us a figure. “We also do a bunch of dyno runs and step tests to let us know to the nearest 100rpm to where the maximum power is. We then add 1100rpm to that, and of those two figures we use the lower ones. That way none of the manufacturers can put a fake really high rev limiter in it. We get basically a sensible point of the power curve to define the rev limit, relative to the street bike.” Mark Bracks: That answers the question everyone is asking me, why the Ducatis have so many more rpm to play with… Scott Smart: “So basically when you rev that thing on the dyno, it’ll go to 16,500rpm in top gear, unreal – you’ve never seen it before in a 1000cc superbike. So in most gears it’s 16,000rpm, and top gear is up to 16500rpm. Almost like over-run, I don’t want to even think what speed you could do on the thing, and it also makes quite a lot of horsepower doesn’t it. “If we based it on 16,000 or 16,500rpm plus 3 per cent we’d be 16,500-16,600 plus, or 17,000 in top, but that would be unrealistic, as the bike makes its peak horsepower at 15,250, so we add the 1100 to that, and get 16,350rpm, which is where we set the rev limiter and that seems pretty reasonable. But it does seem to be ripping down the straight quite quickly.”

I don't care that they're fake. Bloody gorgeous, she is.

There we go!

Buggerit, you're right.

Drew Carey is from whose line is it anyway. Stephen Fry was the QI guy (which is the show it was from) Both now replaced with other hosts.

Won't be able to tell just from that. Hit them up on FB and ask Pat the q. He (or someone else) is likely to respond and let you know.

Yes, Mr Fry.... But - baiting isn't awesome. In my opinion....

It's awe inspiring...

Just.... Don't. Contrarian opinions are fine when they have merit. Meritless opinions need to be shot down for the crap they are.

Unless you want us to lump you with the rest of the idiots in the world, an /s at the end of the post or comic sans would work perfectly to show that you're kidding. Unfortunately, it's necessary.

All I see is a pic taken by a potato

LOL. Exactly. Hello, Yellow Rice. Hello GMO. Hello disease resistant crops that anti-GMO zealots are refusing to learn how they work and saying they're baaaad for everything.

As a world, unfortunately. Too many people don't know how to compartmentalise things or concentrate on multiple "causes"

why must everything be so binary? We can, and do, do both. And yes, it will help. Scientific models can now be confirmed or thrown out, or more data on gravitational constants and space / time etc etc. Lenses / sensors being used to catch this data can be used in myriad other areas in the future, and people can now have a more thorough understanding of what things like this look like instead of watching Interstellar and thinking oooooh, pretty

Well, it's not the hole itself we're seeing... It's all the **** and light around the black hole. Plus, here's the full pic. We've only been seeing a small portion of it in the media. Which is also why it's so grainy.

Here we go.... Better explanation for those like me who were wondering how they get the numbers: Mark Bracks: So the changes for the year, what do they entail and what do they mean? Scott Smart: “Basically we’ve got a bunch of new riders on a bunch of new bikes and as a result they need starting points for the revs. The way the revs starting point works; you take the street bike, check where the rev limiter is, which is the most horrifying thing on the dyno runs in the factory, and that gives us standard street bike max revs, and we add three per cent to that and it gives us a figure. “We also do a bunch of dyno runs and step tests to let us know to the nearest 100rpm to where the maximum power is. We then add 1100rpm to that, and of those two figures we use the lower ones. That way none of the manufacturers can put a fake really high rev limiter in it. We get basically a sensible point of the power curve to define the rev limit, relative to the street bike.” Mark Bracks: That answers the question everyone is asking me, why the Ducatis have so many more rpm to play with… Scott Smart: “So basically when you rev that thing on the dyno, it’ll go to 16,500rpm in top gear, unreal – you’ve never seen it before in a 1000cc superbike. So in most gears it’s 16,000rpm, and top gear is up to 16500rpm. Almost like over-run, I don’t want to even think what speed you could do on the thing, and it also makes quite a lot of horsepower doesn’t it. “If we based it on 16,000 or 16,500rpm plus 3 per cent we’d be 16,500-16,600 plus, or 17,000 in top, but that would be unrealistic, as the bike makes its peak horsepower at 15,250, so we add the 1100 to that, and get 16,350rpm, which is where we set the rev limiter and that seems pretty reasonable. But it does seem to be ripping down the straight quite quickly.”

I *think* it comes down to where the engine delivers peak power, and then is tweaked from there. So, after this, add 500 to Honda and reduce Duc by 250. 2019 Season-Starting WorldSBK Rev Limit Table Aprilia 14,700 rpm BMW 14,900 rpm (50 rpm less than last year’s model) Ducati V4 16,350 (all new engine for 2019) Honda 14,550 rpm Kawasaki 14,600 rpm (500 more than 2018 model) MV Agusta 14,950 rpm Suzuki 14,900 rpm Yamaha 14,700 rpm

Good to see you got Mr Kuypers away from the fam!