Sias, I'm too poor to pay attention. Allow me to re-phrase that statement then. Some of them (farm murders) may have been reported in the papers and maybe even more than one reported on TV. New question: Where are the 20 odd page threads dedicated to their demise or murder? (i.e. There was no huge debate about their deaths or murders.) This is only big news because of the "status" of ET. I am not in support of farm murders (or any murders for that matter) but WTF? 2999 go by relatively peacefully and now suddenly, there is furore? I said what I believe is my stance on Farms being taken over for whatever reason. It is just an economic disaster waiting to happen if this trend is not reversed immediately. During the 1980's when I had the dubious distinction of being one of those SADF consripts, it was ANC policy from abroad (since they were a banned organisation in SA) to destabilise the farming community. Landmines, farm attacks and the like were common. It may be that this policy has now just been perpetuated and been going on for long that we are desensitised to it and don't pay much attention to the problem. Another policy was to make the country "Ungovernable". Crime was encouraged to fill the jails and make the system grind to a halt by making the prisons over flow. Maybe this is another policy that has just perpetuated. Poverty has affected both white and black in SA. The only thing is, that since Mandela has stepped down, that the poor have got really poor. They have less now than they had before. And the leaders, beingwhat they are, keep blaming the past to deflect any blame from themselves and their own inability to improve the lot of their voting masses. I hear daily how unhappy the "workers" are with the government. They threaten not to vote because they are disgusted. Even a few have mentioned that they were better off under the old "regime". Yet, come election time, they flock off to go and vote for the same government that is impoverishing them. Just as someone mentioned that there should be minimum standards for being elected as a leader / president / whatever, so too, should there be a minimum standard for being allowed to vote. At least a basic education. H3ll if I had all the answers, I would run for president myself. Unfortunately, I am just another moderately educated honkey who is trying to be a moderate. Just some people like JM make it very hard for me to stay on the road. The fringe groups, thankfully, are in the minority, but if it's 20% of 30 million, the number is far greater than 20% of 5 million. Ok, time for me to get off my soap box now, since I seemto have wandered off topic. ET is dead, get over it. He was murdered by some illiterate fckuwit and now there are all sorts of opinions about it. Yes, it can create big problems. But not if the moral majority stand together and refuse to let wedges get driven between us. We live in a land full of opportunity. The suns shines and we can ride our bikes. Let's all stand together against the loony fringe and work towards making SA better. As Mahatma Ghandi put it, "An eye for an Eye, will make the whole world blind.