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Odinson

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  1. Making assumptions about the cohort/subjects/participants and then dismissing the outcomes isn't helpful. It's a slippery slope. And I agree with you here, but not all studies can control, so you then have to decide how you weigh it in your own understanding of the subject matter.
  2. You're making the assumption that a lower meat eater is by definition more health conscious than the other groups. You can't just make that assumption and call it a day. Also, your disdain for epidemiology is unwarranted. Yes, it can be done poorly (as with any other study type/design), but if it weren't for epidemiology, we wouldn't all today accept that smoking causes cancer.
  3. You're being mistaken for 100Tours.
  4. You misunderstand the study, Myles.
  5. Your misanthropy warms my cold heart, but I think if we got to point where most parents no longer hot box their kids on the school run, I think we can figure this out.
  6. Cause that's what the literature says. Every week there's more science coming out establishing the link between animal protein and these chronic diseases. To add onto what Eldron alluded to, the world isn't ravaged by riboflavin deficiency, but by heart disease, diabetes, obesity, cancer, etc. Just a few days ago: Association of Animal and Plant Protein Intake With All-Cause and Cause-Specific Mortality Conclusions and Relevance In this large prospective study, higher plant protein intake was associated with lower total and CVD-related mortality. Although animal protein intake was not associated with mortality outcomes, replacement of red meat protein or processed meat protein with plant protein was associated with lower total, cancer-related, and CVD-related mortality. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/article-abstract/2748453
  7. What Imploder said. The only guarantees in this world is death and taxes.
  8. You're right, but that only speaks ill of the family for neglecting to put the kid on a healthy vegan diet. If you want to go through a vegan pregnancy and have a vegan kid, do your homework, make sure the lifestyle is sorted and there shouldn't be issues.
  9. As you wish. No one here has claimed it's fake news. There's risks with any poorly planned dietary framework. Like I've said before, a properly planned WFPB diet is healthy.
  10. I can't argue with that. It's true. It's also true when discussing access to health care, education, etc. A lot of the vegan folks I know from back home aren't particularly well to do (I'm proper blue collar), cost for most folks isn't an issue. The point I'm making is that if you can choose your medical aid, a nice suburb to live in, good school for the rug rats, at which larney cafe you're going to do brunch this Sunday, then the 'veganism is only for the privileged' personal defense doesn't hold water with me.
  11. That's interesting. Nutritionist?
  12. Being able to drop a log in a flushing toilet is a comparative privilege. That doesn’t mean that veganism is just for the ‘privileged few’ and be rejected as an elitist way of life.
  13. So you personally know more than one family who had a child born with impaired brain function due to a ‘vegan diet’? I mean, the odds of that.
  14. Could you elaborate on the birth defects you claim to have witnessed.
  15. Without getting too ‘woke’, privilege is a spectrum. We all fall on it somewhere and it’s often the more privileged that raise the ‘privilege’ defence.
  16. You're conflating veganism with child neglect brought on by poor diet and who knows what else.
  17. Boet, you and I are in the same. I'm also an ex-farm boy. Did all the things you've done. Doesn't mean that we have to continue doing that just because it's the way it's always been done. We can leave the animals be and still live our lives healthily and happily. Thing is, the world population is what it is. We can't change that, only deal with how it is and how we can make it work moving forward.
  18. Do you think that your enjoyment is more important than the lives of the animals that have to die for your meals and the effects that it has on planetary health?
  19. Go to both rural and even more urbanized Vietnam and see what people were traditionally eating. People in rural areas of 3rd world countries aren't gorging on salmon and cream cheese bagels for breakfast or fillet for dinner. The bulk of their diet is plant based. And again, I'm not speaking to those people. The question you should rather be asking and answering is "Why am I not vegan, knowing what I know".
  20. No one can predict the future, but if we play our cards right there can be a world in which animal and planetary suffering has been reduced to an absolute minimum. However, that would require everyone who can, like folks on this thread, to make the change and lead by example;
  21. If hypothetical '3rd world baby/toddler and mom' have access to sufficient pre- and post natal medical care, access to sufficient sources of plant based foods and had guidance in feeding that way, I'd support it. If that same hypothetical '3rd world baby/toddler and mom' already lives at risk of food security/malnutrition, then I'd advise them to do what they need to survive. Either way, the 'what about people in the 3rd world' straw man does not absolve you, me and everyone else reading this who make conscious food choices from looking at their lifestyle and what they can do to reduce their impact.
  22. Is anyone reading this a 3rd world baby or toddler? Westerners, like you and me, cause much more animal suffering than the majority of people in the 3rd world, who's consumption of animal products typically do not compare to the typical Westerner.
  23. Any person reading this thread can go vegan. Don't build it up in your mind as some 'white privilege' thing. It just isn't. Most of the basic staples are vegan. Fruits 'n veg, grains, etc. You make it as expensive as you want it to be. When there's a will, there's a way.
  24. Humans tend to feed on carnivores/predators a lot. Think of all those little cans of tuna lining your local Spar and PnP. So much so that we're eating the different species to the brink of extinction. And why do you want to leave the those who eat and kill cats and dogs out of the discussion? There's no epidemiological data proving that vegans suffer from 'malnutrition'. What do you even mean by that? The point is that the slaughter is unnecessary for the overwhelming proportion of the population. So, there's no need to desensitize folks to the horrors of animal farming. There is another way.
  25. Yip. Set to 'Loyal Followers Only' Either way, it's Strava's 'Group Activities' function. https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216919497-Group-Activities Kind of forgot that it also happens during races. T
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