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    I’m not back tracking. I want to have consistency on WHAT we’re discussing.
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    Veganism ≠ plant-based diet. A plant-based diet still offers significant protection against a variety of common diseases and is known to also be the most significant in terms of environmental impact. However, just because you eat plant-based diet, doesn’t mean you have aligned yourself to vegan principles. If you’ve changed the way you view animals (i.e. not considering them as beings to be exploited) and aligned your actions to that way of thinking, then we’re discussing veganism.
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    Yeah, Annals really opened a hornets nest with these papers they decided to publish. Here's a good discussion on the nuance you won't typically find in the posts and articles floating around the internet: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/meat-eating-your-health-really-news-david/ When one study makes recommendations that fly in the face of decades of research, the necessary circumspection needs to be applied. Either way, I don't think this is relevant to veganism. The health implications of eating animals shouldn't inform the moral consideration we give them.
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    It's not a false equivalency. It's a construct to tease out speciest thinking. I'm not equating sexual assault with eating a part of an animal, nor am I saying that I consider humans and all other animals as having the same moral value. The argument is simply that all animals are entitled to a 'baseline' moral consideration, in the same way that all humans are entitled to it. That moral consideration does not allow for exploitation. We don't have to treat humans as animals or vice versa, just acknowledge that they deserve that consideration. If you reject that consideration, you're doing it merely because that animal is a different species as you. When a racist does it, they do it simply because someone of a different race, etc. It's not equating the actions, it's equating the mechanism of moral consideration.
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    Try formulating a proper response. Here's your thumb sucked lies: https://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6392/987 Straight from Science. It's clear you didn't understand the argument. It's an illustration of the arbitrary way in which we assign moral value. Woman - has moral value, so groping even though it gives me pleasure is not morally justifiable. Animal - has no moral value, so exploiting for pleasure is morally justified. Both human and non-human animals have basic interests, which places upon us the responsibility to treat them with basic consideration.
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    It's World Vegetarianism Day today! Keep it veggie, everyone.
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    Thanks for not waffling or skirting the real justification: you do it because you enjoy it. Do you think that your enjoyment morally justifies the exploitation and killing of animals? This kind of thinking is problematic to me. Would I be morally justified in groping a random woman's breasts because it gives me pleasure or would we agree that harming another sentient being for our own pleasure is immoral? Regarding the 'sources of protein' meat, aquaculture, eggs, and dairy use ~83% of the world’s farmland and contribute 56 to 58% of food’s different emissions, despite providing only 37% of our protein and 18% of our calories. So, that's basically smoking cigarettes for fresh air. We can get all essential amino acids from plant sources. I'm totally onboard with clean meat and its potential, but we can't use its absence as a moral justification for what we're doing to animals now. This isn't meant to be a personal attack, but the position you take is one of egoism. Your desires trounce those of animals who suffer for your pleasure. Don't we denounce racism and sexism because we understand that it is unreasonable. So too we must denounce speciesim - it is wrong to treat other species immorally purely because they are of a different species. Veganism simply asks to afford all animals, not just those in the food system, basic consideration.
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    Myles, a sincere question and not one which is meant to be confrontational. If we know that a plant-based diet is the most environmentally impactful, why not adopt it? Is it a case of caring enough to do other things, just not enough to do that? This question isn't specifically directed at you, but you raised the position of enacting other mitigation tactics, just not willing to adopt a plant-based diet, so I figured you'd have thought this over.
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    For all of us on here, a plant-based diet. That simple. None of us here struggle with food security. We have the option to choose that way. You don't have to inform your choices because of the situation of other people. Personally, I keep my diet simple, with whole fruits 'n veg. Nothing fancy.
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    Don't slaughter them at all. Don't breed them. Don't commodify them. Don't condemn them to death. If we can do it for the thousands upon thousands of other animal species on earth, we can do it for them too.
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    It's ******* atrocious! All animal exploitation is, but to condemn gentle and innocent creatures to this hell just to pocket some oil $ is sickening. This is what these poor animals go through (source: Animals Australia - Oz is also a live exporter to the ME). https://youtu.be/d6RKarFD8sY
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    From the NSPCA's FB page: Live export update: contrary to media reports, no permits have been issued to Al Mawashi. The NSPCA are currently meeting with the National representatives of the Department of Agriculture and will be meeting with the Eastern Cape department tomorrow in East London and have our team ready to go if necessary. We will be in a better position to update everyone after these meetings but we call on you for your support at this time. This is costing the NSPCA a huge amount of resources - flights, accommodation, meals etc. Please donate www.nspca.co.za/donate Please be assured that we are doing everything that we can. Petition: www.nspca.co.za
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    Lots of guys on mag supplements. What's causing the deficiency?
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    Watched Midsommar last night. Despite really enjoying Hereditary, this movie from Ari Aster really feels goofy. People are crapping themselves about how unsettling it is, but I struggle to agree. There's a few creepy shots and sequences, but it goes full Nic Cage 'Wicker Man' in the 3rd act.
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    CBlake, what did your training look like in preparation for the 100miler?
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    They're not cheap though. €2.3k for an alu frameset - ouch! For 200 bucks more I can get this baby...
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    Mulling over getting myself a Nukeproof Reactor frameset and slowly building up a bike over the next few months. Winter is approaching in the northern hemisphere, so there's no rush. Just wondering whether doing a build might actually end up being more expensive than just buying the whole bike outright. http://nukeproof.com/wp-content/uploads/prod182089_Matt-Grey_NE_01.jpg http://nukeproof.com/wp-content/uploads/prod182144_Matt-Grey_NE_01-1.jpg
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    Whether you're vegan or not, please help the NSPCA in preventing the live export of 60,000 sheep to the Middle East. Sign the petition here: https://nspca.co.za/animal-cruelty/campaign-against-live-export-animals/ he Page Farming Trust of East London and Al Mawashi, a Kuwaiti company registered in South Africa, will be shipping 60 000 live sheep to Kuwait in this September. On their journey, they will experience at least 22 days of: DiseaseHigh ammonia levels leading to respiratory and ocular infectionsLiving in their own excrementMotion sicknessOvercrowdingOverheatingPhysical trauma and injuriesSevere thirst and hungerIf they haven’t died en route, the sheep will be brutally slaughtered fully conscious. Sign our petition to prevent this cruel, unnecessary suffering. In mid-September, 60 000 sheep will be sent to the Middle East by ship – their destination? Death. They will journey for a period of three weeks, subjected to rough seas and completely unnatural conditions. On board this ship, they will be crammed so tightly that many will not be able to lie down and rest. For three weeks, they will stand, with limited access to food and water and some will have no access at all. To add insult to injury – they will be forced to stand in their own excrement, wearing what is called “fecal jackets”. For three weeks. https://nspca.co.za/animal-cruelty/campaign-against-live-export-animals/#
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    Watch this to have a proper laugh at the sheer shite that is the majority of Netflix 'Originals'. https://youtu.be/FAzP8pUdb98
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    Super impressive! Well done!
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    Animal exploitation takes many forms. Poaching being one. Animal farming another. Why condemn the one and not the other?
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    Get your hands on a copy of 'The Sixth Extinction: An Unnatural History' by Elizabeth Kolbert, if you haven't already.
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    If we look at practices in typical farms, is there really that much of a difference in regards to what happens to rhinos? Chickens: ‘useless’ male chicks are suffocated in plastic bags or dropped into a macerator. Hens have the tips of their beaks seared off by a hot blade. Pigs: piglets have their testicles cut off and their teeth clipped without any kind of anaesthesia. Cows, some sheep and goats: have their horns either clipped or disbudded. Again, no anaesthesia. Sheep: have strips of skin cut off around their hindquarters (‘mulesing’). All of these animals also end up having their throat slit/stabbed and left to bleed to death. What we do with rhinos is wrong. What we do to farm animals is also wrong. Whether we ‘use’ the whole animal is not relevant.
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    For those who are going to watch 'Stroop', please also make the time to watch the following: https://youtu.be/LQRAfJyEsko https://youtu.be/dvtVkNofcq8 https://youtu.be/w8B547L5VkQ
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