Killer deal on Carbon 29er with free ZTR wheelset

[Bos]

I'm in the manufacturing industry , We won't go find the 'cheapest' raw material because we are buying in bulk and getting the best price anyway.

 

Why would any company who make frames for Spez try finding "lower" grade carbon fibre ( if it even exists) and ignore their own quality control to make "cheaper" frames.

 

My point is they make frames for eg. spez when the orders are low they still produce at 100% production but then sell the 'overruns ' off as 'chinese cheapys'

they still need to keep a big work force employed.

Sounds more logical than . "we make cheaper bikes when we feel like it"

 

After agreeing to dis agree I saw a part of the horse that wasnt dead yet cause I havnt had my say !

Blackvoodoo, you trust chineese way to much.. Trust me, Ive delt with guys that want to help you as much they can and Ive dealth with guys that took 8 months to finish frames I paid for in full.. when they initially got here they were half rusted and some unusable..

This is after they sent me samples etc and seemed very legit..

 

I dont trust a chinese factory as far as I can see one, and I promise you there are chineese guys who take old moulds modify them a littlebit and keep manufacturing defective products..

But not the same guy's making the frames for santacruz and spez for sure..

 

I often see other competing brands's products in the same factory as what we use but I dont nesseceraly see copies of my or other brands products around, I know it sounds like Im contradicting myself but I agree with covie that guys like santacruz, etc have a very exclusive deal with their manufacturer (as a example, I think their carbon bikes is made in the east)

 

The manufacturer will honour that agreement only because santacruze is paying them to, and because he cares about his companies repetation. It takes me months of back and forth to find a "legit" factory for something as simple as say a rubber ball..

 

So in short, cheap carbon frames are not high end frames without decalls.

They come from different factories.

Not saying they are no good but definately not the same amount of R&D in these frames.

 

Not 100% sure which "mould" Momsen falls into.. But I want to give em the bennefit of the doubt

[Bad Girl]

IBIS

 

 

 

 

IBIS, that's the one! Also distributed by Two Wheels Trading (Victor) - interesting.

 

Another thing that has been brought up here which is wrong is Momsen's R&D The alloy frames are straight from the Kinesis OEM catalogue (downloaded size is 41mb, look at pages 13 & 17) The carbon frames are OEM as well, you can change a few options but you can't change the angles for instance otherwise you need to open a new mould which is very expensive from what I've read. So that's a bit miss-leading as well.

 

As far as poring big money into local racing goes, guess who's money that really is? When you are paying R5000 more than the other people are charging that's where your money is going, into sponsorship and advertising to sell more bikes to you.

 

Finally, the 10/4 marketing is a bit miss-leading: the team that got 10th at the Epic wasn't the team that won 4 stages. Two different teams in two different classes. Would that stand up if someone complained to the advertising standards board?

Edited May 4, 2012 by Bad Girl

[Bos]

Sho, good points made here Bad Girl

Im not trying to put them down, they probably buying from a reputable carbon frame factory and buying standard frames (non custom mould) which do exist ( I forgot to mention this above)

some factory like this..

 

http://www.gotobike.com.cn/

 

Kinesis that you mention is a well known company (though they are Taiwanese) they make frames for Voodoo etc..

 

so this might not render the frames bad, but maybe souldnt be priced up there alongside other brands who is forking out on their own R&D.. Very valid point..

Edited May 4, 2012 by Bos

[Iwan Kemp]

Ive also started a Morewood pics thread, convinced more people to buy a Giant Anthem than any other bike and have never bought an Ibis or Morewood from my LBS, Cycle Factory, who I also champion on here...

 

The plot thickens. (cue X-Files theme music)

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

Ive also started a Morewood pics thread, convinced more people to buy a Giant Anthem than any other bike and have never bought an Ibis or Morewood from my LBS, Cycle Factory, who I also champion on here...

 

The plot thickens. (cue X-Files theme music)

 

In other words, Crow, you just like a good deal...

[BLACKvoodoo]

We don't know for sure that there are those companies that don't sell 'branded frames' as 'unbranded' I'm saying that if I had a company making Carbon frames you can't rely on one manufacturer to keep you afloat, never put all your eggs in one basket, It's business suicide.

[CAAD4]

After agreeing to dis agree I saw a part of the horse that wasnt dead yet cause I havnt had my say !

Blackvoodoo, you trust chineese way to much.. Trust me, Ive delt with guys that want to help you as much they can and Ive dealth with guys that took 8 months to finish frames I paid for in full.. when they initially got here they were half rusted and some unusable..

This is after they sent me samples etc and seemed very legit..

 

I dont trust a chinese factory as far as I can see one, and I promise you there are chineese guys who take old moulds modify them a littlebit and keep manufacturing defective products..

But not the same guy's making the frames for santacruz and spez for sure..

 

I often see other competing brands's products in the same factory as what we use but I dont nesseceraly see copies of my or other brands products around, I know it sounds like Im contradicting myself but I agree with covie that guys like santacruz, etc have a very exclusive deal with their manufacturer (as a example, I think their carbon bikes is made in the east)

 

The manufacturer will honour that agreement only because santacruze is paying them to, and because he cares about his companies repetation. It takes me months of back and forth to find a "legit" factory for something as simple as say a rubber ball..

 

So in short, cheap carbon frames are not high end frames without decalls.

They come from different factories.

Not saying they are no good but definately not the same amount of R&D in these frames.

 

Not 100% sure which "mould" Momsen falls into.. But I want to give em the bennefit of the doubt

 

So what's the name of your brand?

[Iwan Kemp]

Yip. And sue me for posting something I receive via a newsletter on here so other guys can score.

 

Voodoo: your argument makes sense and is true to some extent, but not in the case of the big boys.

 

In terms of business sense and optimizing a factory or assembly line, thats why Spez partners with Merida and very few own and operate their OWN factory.

[BLACKvoodoo]

Yip. And sue me for posting something I receive via a newsletter on here so other guys can score.

 

Voodoo: your argument makes sense and is true to some extent, but not in the case of the big boys.

 

In terms of business sense and optimizing a factory or assembly line, thats why Spez partners with Merida and very few own and operate their OWN factory.

Noted..

[Bos]

So what's the name of your brand?

 

The bikes I can not really elaborate on because Im not involved anymore. Its called Camissa..the Idea to get a bicycle at a good enough price for anyone to be able to buy one..If you walk into a bikeshop and you want to buy a bike to ride 4km to work and back you prob dont need a 27sp deore specced 29er for 8-9k.. So we were looking for good value but not high end.. This was not my business and I was mearly involved because I did other design work for them and I happened to know a thing or 2 about bicycles. My own bike stuff. you'll all oneday use

 

I work for ROGZ, and we do pet accessories. manufacture simple things like leash's etc here in Cape Town, but balls, toys, rubber bones etc in china and Thailand.

heres a pic of me putting together some sample bikes which we tested for about 3 months when I was still involved.. but this is getting way off topic I guess

[Iwan Kemp]

Nice! I want one if those un SS. All my pets only rock ROGZ. Evdn use some of your stuff on my GS.

 

(Above statement paid for by Bos Inc)

[covie]

Funny thing

 

Give two chefs the same ingredients and equipment and ask them to prepare the same meal in their own way... no chance they will taste the same

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Yup just need a rogz leash for my 5 year old she is outgrowing the ones i use on my ridgebacks

[Bos]

Haha youguys crack me up.. You wouldnt beleve the R&D that goes into a simple dogbowl.. thats if you want to be the best

 

@ Crow.. my phone just kakked.. google camissa bicycles they have a landing page on which you can sign up for the newsletter, which will have the dates of the next shipment

[Hairy]

Any idea on the rough retail cost for this Camissa bikes?

[HeinrichH]

Hello chaps. We have a few bikes still in stock, the are retailing for R3200. You can have a look at the range of colour combos on our Facebook site /camissabicycles or give me a call on 0833103562.

 

Heinrich