mazambaan Posted October 18, 2012 Share Eish Peta; balance of probability says just about everyone anywhere near the head of the peloton was on something and certainly LA. After this, I wouldn't bet my life on any of them being squeaky clean, including LeMond. LA is certainly being singled out for special attention due to his abrasive personality, pigheadedness and general tjop behaviour but that is the way of the world and the jilted fan rather than even handed justice. "UK Postal"; well the jury is still out-hundreds of pages on other forums say they are on the special sauce. Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/153/#findComment-1817248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed Posted October 18, 2012 Share Another one jumped ship - Trek dropped Lance Honey Stinger, et al have followed suit. But it's kinda meaningless in a way, as he has shares in these companies, and they are all maintaining contact with Livestrong. Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/153/#findComment-1817249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcza Posted October 18, 2012 Share Add Giro Helmets & 24 hour fitness to the list that jumped ship yesterday. Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/153/#findComment-1817254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed Posted October 18, 2012 Share Add Giro Helmets & 24 hour fitness to the list that jumped ship yesterday. Aren't Giro part of the company that makes Trek? Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/153/#findComment-1817256 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed Posted October 18, 2012 Share Eish Peta; balance of probability says just about everyone anywhere near the head of the peloton was on something and certainly LA. After this, I wouldn't bet my life on any of them being squeaky clean, including LeMond. LA is certainly being singled out for special attention due to his abrasive personality, pigheadedness and general tjop behaviour but that is the way of the world and the jilted fan rather than even handed justice. "UK Postal"; well the jury is still out-hundreds of pages on other forums say they are on the special sauce. There is of course a blemish on at least one of LeMond's Tour wins. The "illegal" bike. Did he dope? I doubt it. Personal opinion. Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/153/#findComment-1817257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcza Posted October 18, 2012 Share I'm not sure, probably a good time to pull out the graphic that shows the LA connections in the world of cycling. Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/153/#findComment-1817258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaco-fiets Posted October 18, 2012 Share I will have a field day if it had to come out that Sky has a systematic doping system in place. I would feel sorry for Froome but would have a chuckle at Wiggo and Cav. Couple of guys here would probably cut their wrists. For me that would be far more entertaining than the Armstrong affair Spark 1 Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/153/#findComment-1817262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoLefty!! Posted October 18, 2012 Share Another one jumped ship - Trek dropped Lance I still won't buy one. Clearly you need drugs to be successful on a Trek. Edited October 18, 2012 by GoLefty!! Jaco-fiets and petatodd 2 Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/153/#findComment-1817267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed Posted October 18, 2012 Share I will have a field day if it had to come out that Sky has a systematic doping system in place. I would feel sorry for Froome but would have a chuckle at Wiggo and Cav. Couple of guys here would probably cut their wrists. For me that would be far more entertaining than the Armstrong affair I don't know about Sky. But Brailsford did help transform British cycling. Their whereabouts programme was said to be one of the most stringent in the world. As for Froome, I've said it before, I think he is clean. Jaco-fiets 1 Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/153/#findComment-1817268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaco-fiets Posted October 18, 2012 Share Damn! Endorphines from morning ride is wearing off now! Should probably get ready for work. This bloody bloodbag does not want to empty this morning Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/153/#findComment-1817269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoLefty!! Posted October 18, 2012 Share Honey Stinger, et al have followed suit. But it's kinda meaningless in a way, as he has shares in these companies, and they are all maintaining contact with Livestrong. Indeed, its all PR to save face. You trying to tell me the Oakley, Giro and other reps that travelled with USPS never saw a thing, didn;t hear a thing, didn't notice something strange in the trash or the big industrial fridge needed for storing the blood and EPO. Come on...... Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/153/#findComment-1817271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoLefty!! Posted October 18, 2012 Share Spain's attorney general considering bringing formal criminal charges against Armstrong my my the knives are really out now... He's going to have to find a hole in the world with no extradition treaty with European Courts and the US....hmmm maybe Uruguay or Argentina, or South Africa. He'll ive in Phil's closet. Heck man,did he not consider the risks? He must have a trump up his sleeve co he is silent as hell.Will he be able to find work in his own bike shop? Strangely I still empathise, wouldn't wish this can of worm on my worst enemy Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/153/#findComment-1817278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed Posted October 18, 2012 Share Indeed, its all PR to save face. You trying to tell me the Oakley, Giro and other reps that travelled with USPS never saw a thing, didn;t hear a thing, didn't notice something strange in the trash or the big industrial fridge needed for storing the blood and EPO. Come on...... Yeah, when it comes to Oakley, the Stephanie McIlvain story comes to mind… Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/153/#findComment-1817286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy Posted October 18, 2012 Share Heck man,did he not consider the risks? He must have a trump up his sleeve co he is silent as hell. Karma is a strange beast. Those who argue against the "they all doped so it was a level playing field" crowd argue inter alia that the more risk averse you are, the closer to the doping wind you would sail. Evidence is that LA felt so invulnerable that he acted brazenly in the most egregious way. Like so many sociopaths, he behaved as if the rules only applied to others and so I suspect that he lost no sleep over this at the time. As for cards up his sleeve, i suspect the Ace has fallen out and he only has a knife to draw against the six gun of his opponents....... Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/153/#findComment-1817287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOldGuy Posted October 18, 2012 Share Another one jumped ship - Trek dropped Lance Wow, thats a biggie, like Nike, Armstrong was synonymous with Trek and a big part of their campaign. I was reading the Nike statement where they said they will stop supporting Armstrong, this is one of the worlds biggest sports brands so they have to be careful in their wording, but if you read the statement they use very strong language in their condemnation of LA, and from a corporate like Nike that shows they feel betrayed. CNN had an interview with the chairman of a company Brandsport who said he doubts LA will ever be able to salvage his credibility within the sporting or cycling arena. His best hope he felt, would be to devote his time and effort now to causes where his name is still considered good, like charities for cancer awareness, been involved in the opening cancer wards at hospitals etc. but he admitted, it will be difficult. Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/153/#findComment-1817345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azonic Posted October 18, 2012 Share where his name is still considered good, like charities for cancer awareness, been involved in the opening cancer wards at hospitals etc. I think its even too late for that. His name is a brand, the brand fell faster than Felix Baumgartner. Wayne Potgieter 1 Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/153/#findComment-1817360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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