Why not stop at red traffic lights?

[TNT1]

bite me!

 

Where?

[MTB_Roadie]

yawn!!!!!!

 

+1

 

I stop at times and times I go over...depending if it is a 4-way crossing or a 3-way....I don't see the point of needing the stop at 6am on a Sunday morning when there is no cars on the road....this is one of those debates where you won't get anywhere....as we already got a bad name, there will also always be someone who cycles through a red robot so we will always be branded in that way no matter what....

 

So for stopping at every red robot, *hi 5* like there is one child in the class who always puts a apple on the teachers desk, there is people who stop at red robots when cycling...but the rest is just there to do as they please...

[Agteros]

Where?

I wont wash my feet for a week, and not change socks to boot. Will work out the details exactly where and on which foot after that....

[Icycling]

Bit off the topic as posted on another topic yesterday - but the 2nd last paragraph basically says it all! Yup and when in my car I have my air con on - when I am staionarry on bike I don't have that luxuries. So if its pissing with rain I want to stay as warm as possible and wait for nothing at a red robot make no sense and when it boiling hot I need the wind chill so I don't over heat!

 

Can somebody please explain why motorist more often (99.9999%) choose to disobey law that say when over taking a vehicle it must be done in a separate lane? Now a cyclist in RSA is classified as a vehicle so why do motorist "alway" choose to neglect this law? I think cyclist have probably just been way to considerate all their live by obeying the 1st rule of the road and that is user of the road should do so as far left as possible / safe!

 

But if their is a cyclist next to you (1, 2 , 3or 4 cyclist) you cannot be further left than on the shoulder of the cyclist next to you. But with all due respect a motorist overtaking 1or 4 cyclist 100% legally the number of cyclist left of the centre line has NO impact on the way the motorist should do it! That is use your indicator (to warn motorist behind their is a need to slow down and over take) choose a time when it is safe to pass in a separate lane (not on a solid white line) and indicate to return to the lane the cyclist were in. The fact that cyclist are asking for 1.5m law to be implemented is only because nobody have every enforced the correct way of over taking a cyclist be it 1 cyclist on the road or 4 cyclist riding a breast (not over taking).

 

But let's be honest motorist normally are in a hurry on by road where their runner, cyclist, horse rider, baboons (in the Cape) and other road usurer because on the highway their fellow motorist choose to be road hog and sit in the fast lane instead of overtaking in the fast lane. Finally admit motorist break more rules on the road than any cyclist could ever do - from speeding to overtaking on solid line to driving in the fast lane!

 

If the rule of the roads were up held by motorist cyclist would be perfectly safe! But they not and I am not say I don't break rules when I am behind the wheel - but the finger need to pointed at of driving system not our cycling system - remember a kid with no license (road skills) can cycle on the public roads and if motorist were driving according to the rules of the road they learn't that kid would be 100% safe! I am not a parent but how many parents would in the current motoring situation let their 10 year old or younger ride on the road un supervised? I know as a 10 year old Kid 30 years back I was allowed to ride 7km to school and back on my own. So more car are now on the roads doing school runs instead of how it should be Kid getting some exercise and commuting by bike not contributing to global warming and not getting fat!

 

But I know its a pointless argument as mankind has become very in considerate!

[TNT1]

I wont wash my feet for a week, and not change socks to boot. Will work out the details exactly where and on which foot after that....

 

Sorry. Not for me. You'll have to find someone else to satisfy your latent foot fetish.

[MTBer wannabee]

Should joggers also wait for the little green man before crossing? If its a T juction, you heading straight, and there is a gap, just take it.

[Guest TheBushpig]

Stopping at a red traffic light? That's really a radical concept, especially for Jozi. I wonder if the idea will ever take off?

[ChUkKy]

Should joggers also wait for the little green man before crossing? If its a T juction, you heading straight, and there is a gap, just take it.

The little green man is a troll, he was here on this very fred

[Clinton1]

Should joggers also wait for the little green man before crossing? If its a T juction, you heading straight, and there is a gap, just take it.

 

Yes.

 

Remember though that joggers are obviously regarded as pedestrians and are hence bound by those rules. Cyclists are classified as vehicles.

 

I'm not a fan of this as I often consider myself a "pedestrian" and would much rather ride on the sidewalk in residential areas than take on the cars.

[Tubehunter]

I ride for survival above obeying the law. There are certain instances where stopping at a red light is more dangerous to me than rolling through if it is safe to do so at the time. Nothing any of you hub-land chaps can say will ever change my perspective on this after spending upwards of 10 years on the road and having the various near misses and their patterns to reinforce how some stretches of road will always be less safe simply because of the situations they illicit in different scenerios out on those roads.

 

Principles are awesome in Utopia I've heard.....

Edited September 27, 2012 by Tubehunter

[Wyatt Earp]

Stopping at a red traffic light? That's really a radical concept, especially for Jozi. I wonder if the idea will ever take off?

 

Hehehe, so true and as much sarcasm you have in this post, I can't help but see the relevance in it.

Here in Midrand people don't give two ticks for a stop or a traffic light.

They have no patience and will regularly almost take you out, hoot at them and they want to have fisticuffs.

just another example that lawlessness is becoming a right.

[TNT1]

 

just another example that lawlessness is becoming a right.

 

Amen.

 

Can I ask a question? To you and anyone else?

 

Do you risk the fight and try and obey the law, or follow the when in Rome kind of principle?

 

Please, I'm not looking for another round of dangle's hatred, just asking. Because I always risk the fight to do what it right when I'm on the road, just want to gauge the general temperature.

[Wyatt Earp]

Amen.

 

Can I ask a question? To you and anyone else?

 

Do you risk the fight and try and obey the law, or follow the when in Rome kind of principle?

 

Please, I'm not looking for another round of dangle's hatred, just asking. Because I always risk the fight to do what it right when I'm on the road, just want to gauge the general temperature.

 

Please man, go and try your child psychology on someone else.

[TNT1]

Please man, go and try your child psychology on someone else.

 

Right. OK.

 

So, um, does that mean you stick to the laws of the road or not?

[Wyatt Earp]

Right. OK.

 

So, um, does that mean you stick to the laws of the road or not?

 

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[TNT1]

Dangle, don't you get it? No agenda. I was just trying to ask a question, and you go straight to fighting me. Why?

 

You raise a very important point, one that we all should be dealing with everyday, and I simply want to know how you, and anyone else here, deals with it.

Edited September 27, 2012 by TNT1