T-man Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 I also tested the pyga the past 5 days.. It was terribly heavy, because spec's was horrible. Recon shock,alex wheels,scott team handle bar. That a side, it suprised me when I took it to groenkloof. Lovely handling!! I think if you spec the pyga with SID, light weight wheels ect, it should be better than epic for the most of us...
niterider Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 The biggest effect of head angle and wheelbase will be more confident descending ability. It mystifies me why so many people starting out pick XC racing frames which are going to make descending, which is likely the place they are least skilled, harder. @niterider; now that is an interesting table. I assume that the bike with the lomgest WB and lowest HA (Stumpy) will be the most stable in a straight line but relatively slower to turn and track in a turn than the shorter (racing) bikes with steeper head angles. To me it's most noticeable on fast, rough downhills. My GT Avalanche feels twitchy and you have to be wide awake. A friends Trance feels stable and keeps straight, I don't go fast enough round corners to feel a difference.
johanlouw Posted October 18, 2012 Author Posted October 18, 2012 Niterider, hence my topic and question. That table and last post helps me alot in deciding which bike suits my needs. It is very difficult to get hold of demo bikes so a person relies on good advice like this. It's about balancing the enjoyment factor with the competitive streak we all have. CL, I tested a Pyga with Stans Crest rims and Rock shox Revelation and I was very impressed. It is fun to ride and absorbs the bumps like nobodies business! I was most impressed by the way it climbs.
T-man Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 Johan, i am thinking of pyga with crest wheels, SID fork,xt group set with light weight bars and seat post... My biggest worry with 29ers was handling. Pyga was just as good as my 26 hardtail..maybe better. Thanks for the post..
johanlouw Posted October 18, 2012 Author Posted October 18, 2012 Hi CL. My specs planned pretty much the same as you mentioned. Any reason for SID above Revelation, or purely weight related
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 Hi CL. My specs planned pretty much the same as you mentioned. Any reason for SID above Revelation, or purely weight related For what it's worth - on the PYGA you should go for the Revelation. A SID should only ever go on an XC Race machine, and then only if you have saved every bit of grammage that you can in other areas (including your body). Infact, if you're considering the SID I would rather steer you towards the REBA. Why? The Rev is more trail oriented, stronger and more robust than the SID. The SID is at most 100 - 200g lighter than the Revelation, but in exchange for that weight difference, comes more flex and less robustness. The REBA is a shorter travel Revelation. But the Revelation is in a totally different league to the Reba in terms of plushness and feel. Over the Sid, it's as Vettel is to Massa. Still good drivers, both of them, but Vettel makes Massa look inept. Also - the Revelation has more travel settings, and will be more amenable to the abuse that is likely to come from the PYGA's trail bias.
johanlouw Posted October 18, 2012 Author Posted October 18, 2012 Thanx CPTMAYHEM. Appreciate the advice.
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 Thanx CPTMAYHEM. Appreciate the advice. No worries dude. As a bit of info - I've "upgraded" from a Reba to a Revelation. And lemme tell you, it was, literally, a Revelation. SOOOO much more plush. Sooooo much more feeling. SOOOO much stiffer. And for a really, really good idea on the differences between forks (Fox/RS/Suntour whatever) message The Crow. He used to (and still does, sometimes) test bikes & gear. He really does have a wealth of experience with the stuff.
mr HED Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 buying a spez is like most roadies buying trek pre lance shakedown, spez throws tons of cash at marketing, so big component of the cost is used for that. there are niche brands that are just as good. my biggest problem with spez is that you are locked into proprietary technology. becomes difficult to service, swop out parts etc...i worry this might hurt them in long run..
awesme Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 hmmmm sitting on the side here and also paying attention, decisions been to wait for a SID rct3 or order a revelation rct3.the below is making me think to go with the revelation, My current bike has a SID rlt. G No worries dude. As a bit of info - I've "upgraded" from a Reba to a Revelation. And lemme tell you, it was, literally, a Revelation. SOOOO much more plush. Sooooo much more feeling. SOOOO much stiffer. And for a really, really good idea on the differences between forks (Fox/RS/Suntour whatever) message The Crow. He used to (and still does, sometimes) test bikes & gear. He really does have a wealth of experience with the stuff.
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 hmmmm sitting on the side here and also paying attention, decisions been to wait for a SID rct3 or order a revelation rct3.the below is making me think to go with the revelation, My current bike has a SID rlt. G You're getting a Tallboy, right? Revelation, all the way. From what I've heard, the Tallboy is very amenable to a longer travel fork. If it were the Superlight, that's a candidate for the SID. Without a doubt.
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 buying a spez is like most roadies buying trek pre lance shakedown, spez throws tons of cash at marketing, so big component of the cost is used for that. there are niche brands that are just as good. my biggest problem with spez is that you are locked into proprietary technology. becomes difficult to service, swop out parts etc...i worry this might hurt them in long run.. Erm... yeah. Not. Spez is a good bike brand, to be sure. And you're only locked in to proprietary tech if you decide to keep their tech. You can use other settings / bits - as shown in the Epic / Camber / Enduro where in some of them they have specced normal FOX RP23's and such. So sorry dude, they may be slightly more expensive than Silverback & Scott etc, but not much so. And the proprietary tech argument doesn't hold any water. You're not FORCED to go BRAIN.
Ryanpmb Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 I agree with cptmayhem here. A PYGA should run a Reba or Rev. No SID. Reba or Rev are good trail/ fun/ race forks. SID is pure race. What the avg Joe supposedly gains in weight saving you loose on increased maintenance with a potentially less robust fork. Nothing wrong with the SID, just similar to the XT/ SLX vs XTR argument. Rather ride a bit more and loose the 200g from your belly
nolipoli Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 I have been looking at the difference between the Epic and Tallboy, and have spoken with a number of guys that have ended up very happily on the Santa Cruz instead of the Spez. Apparently the Tallboy feels like a trail bike, but is fast like a XC racer.. The PYGA seems to be heavier to begin with (heresay), which makes it very expensive to get light with component upgrades.
canadonis Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 Hi CL. My specs planned pretty much the same as you mentioned. Any reason for SID above Revelation, or purely weight related Hi I've been following this topic with great interest, I'm by no means an expert rider but have recently become an owner of a dual pyga. My reason for choosing the pyga is very simple....can so many people who have, ridden the bike raved about it have been so wrong??..I bought the bike without trialling it on the basis of the lower cog, shorter chain stay, stability of the dual thru axels etc etc all the positive technical stuff that I really don't know much about..but I figured hey if it can enhance my abilities just slightly although nowhere near optomising the bikes potential, I could have more fun in the mountains and more important not hurt myself.. I too have specced it with xt groupset, eastern monkey bar and stem, gobi saddle and went fox on my fork. Good luck with your decisions..my philosophy..life's short..have fun Cheers
ramsew Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 No worries dude. As a bit of info - I've "upgraded" from a Reba to a Revelation. And lemme tell you, it was, literally, a Revelation. SOOOO much more plush. Sooooo much more feeling. SOOOO much stiffer. And for a really, really good idea on the differences between forks (Fox/RS/Suntour whatever) message The Crow. He used to (and still does, sometimes) test bikes & gear. He really does have a wealth of experience with the stuff.I'll second that! Currently run a Reba rlt but tested a PYGA with a rev and could not believe how good it was. If you want to have fun going down singletrack and ride all day in comfort the PYGA is the way too go. CPTMayhem's advise is spot on! I currently have a 29r HT with 71deg head angle and it's nervous as hell compared to the PYGA. Can even race the PYGA I'm sure!
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