eddy Posted October 21, 2012 Author Posted October 21, 2012 MerckxAnquetilHinaultIndurainContador (work in progress)Armstrong Interesting, why do you put LA below say hinault or indurain ?
EZRider Posted October 21, 2012 Posted October 21, 2012 Merckx is probably the most "complete" cyclist of all times. Armstrong comes in a close 2nd but i think he is the most tactical cyclist of all time. Hinault and Indurain follows them in any order +1 on LA being the most tactical. He changed racing completely (not talking doping here) much like Sky did this year. Jaco-fiets 1
jcza Posted October 21, 2012 Posted October 21, 2012 Interesting, why do you put LA below say hinault or indurain ? If it was a TdF rankings only then Armstrong would move up but what about the Vuelta and the Giro? eddy 1
gummibear Posted October 21, 2012 Posted October 21, 2012 I specifically did not want his to degenerate into a doping thread, hence my request. I am happy to delete it. Was a joke eddy 1
M L Posted October 21, 2012 Posted October 21, 2012 (edited) Martyn Ashton. Edited October 21, 2012 by wheelerdealer Wallee and Agteros 2
eddy Posted October 21, 2012 Author Posted October 21, 2012 +1 on LA being the most tactical. He changed racing completely (not talking doping here) much like Sky did this year. Strategically, i'd tend to agree with you. But tactically i thought he was quite limited. He had a strong team that controlled the race for him and put him in front on the big climbs where he would extend a lead he often established in the ITT. I wonder how he would have coped without race radio ? Ps. The only time he had to chase anybody on his own was Filippo Simeoni ..............
jcza Posted October 21, 2012 Posted October 21, 2012 Most will agree that Merckx was the greatest. Coppi should also be added to the list. I agree eddy, race radio has changed the game.
Agteros Posted October 21, 2012 Posted October 21, 2012 Martyn Ashton.Reference:https://community.bikehub.co.za/topic/122172-check-out-this-guy-on-the-dogma/page__view__findpost__p__1820410__hl__martyn+ashtonhttps://community.bikehub.co.za/topic/121687-martyn-ashton-road-bike-party/page__hl__martyn+ashtonhttps://community.bikehub.co.za/topic/121823-most-amazing-bike-ride-ever/page__hl__martyn+ashtonhttps://community.bikehub.co.za/topic/122210-ashton-martyn/page__hl__ashton+martyn eddy 1
EZRider Posted October 21, 2012 Posted October 21, 2012 (edited) Okay, we are talking about stage racing here and not classics (one day), track, sprint or time trial so why don't we count grand tour wins: Note: includes titles stripped for doping. Merckx 11Hinault 10Anquetil 8Coppi 7Armstrong 7Contador 7Indurain 7Le Mond 3 Edited October 21, 2012 by TZmtb
'Dale Posted October 21, 2012 Posted October 21, 2012 Going to be a very short list. At this point I'm tempted to throw my own hat in the ring. I'm pretty sure I've never doped. Hahaha! ***What criteria though, Eddy?
DaLoCo Posted October 21, 2012 Posted October 21, 2012 The Jensie and Spartikus They might not have the wins, but they bring a certain untainted passion and spirit to cycling. I love watching them ride and interact with the rest of the riders. gummibear and Jaco-fiets 2
jcza Posted October 21, 2012 Posted October 21, 2012 (edited) Okay, we are talking about stage racing here and not classics (one day), track, sprint or time trial so why don't we count grand tour wins: Note: includes titles stripped for doping. Merckx 11Hinault 10Anquetil 8Armstrong 7Contador 7Indurain 7Le Mond 3 Coppi must have at least 5? Coppi has 7 (2 TdF & 5 Giros) Edited October 21, 2012 by jcza
EZRider Posted October 21, 2012 Posted October 21, 2012 Coppi must have at least 5? Coppi has 7 (2 TdF & 5 Giros) Fixed above.
ccc2 Posted October 21, 2012 Posted October 21, 2012 Merckx is probably the most "complete" cyclist of all times. Armstrong comes in a close 2nd but i think he is the most tactical cyclist of all time. Hinault and Indurain follows them in any orderagree with your thoughts on Armstrong , he had a fine tactical brain in Johan Bruyneel backing him with cc tv and a strong team dedicated to him winning the GC in the TdF. pre cancer he was a domestique, then team leader with various small teams, you could almost compare him to Thomas Voeckler.
'Dale Posted October 21, 2012 Posted October 21, 2012 (edited) Yeah, various eras also brought various demands. Edited October 21, 2012 by Puncheur
jcza Posted October 21, 2012 Posted October 21, 2012 (edited) Grand Tour PodiumsName Giro Vuelta Total Jacques Anquetil 6 6 1 13 Bernard Hinault 7 3 2 12 Eddy Merckx 6 5 1 12 Felice Gimondi 2 9 1 12 Raymond Poulidor 8 0 2 10 Gino Bartali 3 7 0 10 Miguel Induráin 5 3 1 9 Fausto Coppi 2 7 0 9 Lance Armstrong * 8 0 0 8 Joop Zoetemelk 7 0 1 8 Pedro Delgado 3 0 5 8 If you look at Grand Tour stage wins then Merckx is No. 1 with Cipollini second. Edited October 21, 2012 by jcza
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