HappyMartin Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 This is about Ulrich, not some choad. A guy that gets bust for e can't be all bad. I always liked Ulrich.
Lucky Luke. Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 (edited) Believe me they all had access,just go and read the list Rassmussen confessed to using...he used it all and then some more....same goes for other riders that has confessed that did not ride on postal.What I do still find funny is that Rasmussen can come out and tell everybody how he got away with it for years and show everybody the list of thing he used....nobody even really cares,nobody saying bliksem but the guy took every drug in the book.Even Leipheimer said he used all the stuff at gerolstein he used while riding for Lance...nothing different. So why then is nobody shouting for Ullrich to give back all the money he made while cheating?No just focus on Lance and that will make everything better...... Yes I know what the Chicken took - a couple hundred thousand IU's of EPO and 5 blood bags was the main part of the list if I remember correctly. Did you read my post? Because your not addressing what I was saying. It still wasn't enough to win him the tour, because he didn't pay off the right people - namely the ones running the sport, and the best doping doctor in the business. LA had no talent for grand tours, but he managed to bribe, bully and pay his way to 7 yellow jersies. If any of you find that admirable I feel sorry for you. Edited June 22, 2013 by Lucky Luke. Gavmeister and HappyMartin 2
T-Bob Posted June 22, 2013 Author Posted June 22, 2013 I swing back towards Lance at the moment. Check the list of top 10 finishers from 1998 through to 2012. '99 - '05 were brutal. How the hell riders like Zubeldia and Sastre managed to crack the 10 if they were clean is beyond me. Get all those doped up, pedalling pharmacies to pay back their coin... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_at_the_Tour_de_France#Doping_histories_of_Top-10_finishers.2C_1998_-_2012 I'm over being constantly disappointed by the majority of my heroes being drug scum so I'm gong back to basics. Lance was an exciting rider (and a tool), everyone was jacked up and to hell with it. He was the best, on the bike and in the docs room during that time. He did train endlessly as well. So I guess he's still the best rider of the time and I'm going to go back watching those crazed mountain stages, cheer on the yank and not feel guilty because pretty much everyone else behind him was streaming epo out their eyeballs as well. It's filthy, disappointing and *** to have been sold a lie for so long but at least now I can get goose bumps again as watch youtube from those days as everyone hammers 12 tons of big ring out of each other at warp speed up d'huez and not feel like some one stole my unicorn. raptor 1
DIPSLICK Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 Yes I know what the Chicken took - a couple hundred thousand IU's of EPO and 5 blood bags was the main part of the list if I remember correctly. Did you read my post? Because your not addressing what I was saying. It still wasn't enough to win him the tour, because he didn't pay off the right people - namely the ones running the sport, and the best doping doctor in the business. LA had no talent for grand tours, but he managed to bribe, bully and pay his way to 7 yellow jersies. If any of you find that admirable I feel sorry for you.LA had no talent for grand tours, but he managed to bribe, bully and pay his way to 7 yellow jersies. So what u saying are all these current teams,can buy the TDF but they choosing not to,,cause you saying money alone buys you a TDF
DIPSLICK Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 All the millions of € involved in the TDF and the teams have now simply decided not to " pay" for a win, surely there has to be talent involved??? FondyMig 1
Lucky Luke. Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 I liked the Chicken. Dirty as they come, but he went downhill like a man with two balls. That's not dope banking the bike for him. bradwentzel, DIPSLICK and Spidermonkey 3
DIPSLICK Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 Honestly I still think he was a machine ( flame suit )
Lucky Luke. Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 All the millions of € involved in the TDF and the teams have now simply decided not to " pay" for a win, surely there has to be talent involved??? Seriously? Have a look at UK Postal. Does that look like an authentic athletic performance to you? Somebody has paid the right people a lot of money to put those motorbikes at the front of the peloton.
DIPSLICK Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 I liked the Chicken. Dirty as they come, but he went downhill like a man with two balls. That's not dope banking the bike for him.HUGE HUGE BALLS AND SKILLS Lucky Luke. 1
DIPSLICK Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 Seriously? Have a look at UK Postal. Does that look like an authentic athletic performance to you? Somebody has paid the right people a lot of money to put those motorbikes at the front of the peloton.And SKY
DIPSLICK Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 Hey MR ANTI DOPING I am waiting for you to tell me what a tool I am, I see you watching Darrell
Eldron Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 And SKY Game, set and match to dips. Lance was a doped to the gills machine - we have every conceivable reason to question his character but anyone who has eyes in his head knows the man could pedal a bike. It wasn't the Euros powering Lance to a billion hilltop and TT wins... TopFuel, T-Bob, DIPSLICK and 1 other 4
DIPSLICK Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 Game, set and match to dips. Lance was a doped to the gills machine - we have every conceivable reason to question his character but anyone who has eyes in his head knows the man could pedal a bike. It wasn't the Euros powering Lance to a billion hilltop and TT wins...100%
Agteros Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 Lance Armstrongabout an hour ago via Mobile Jan Ullrich? Warm hearted. Amazing athlete. Great competitor. Loved toeing the line with you my friend.
Eldron Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 Hey MR ANTI DOPING I am waiting for you to tell me what a tool I am, I see you watching Darrell Indeed. I wasn't going to say anything because LL's hatred of Lance is stronger than his need for logic. It wasn't an even playing field - everyone took buckets full of drugs but the effects on the riders wasn't the same. I don't pray at the church of Lance but still feel him getting a life ban and lawsuits aplenty whilst others get 6 month bans after they retire is just silly. Ultimately we're wasting our time though - in the 20s riders were staging protests against other riders using cocaine and chloroform. Riders tooks trains to cheat, riders took pot belg blah blah. If anyone thinks Sky and the rest of the peleton are clean now they should wait a few years when the current crop write their biographies. Its been dirty since 1913 and will never be clean. Agteros and DIPSLICK 2
SwissVan Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 Lance Armstrong @lancearmstrong 2h Jan Ullrich? Warm hearted. Amazing athlete. Great competitor. Loved toeing the line with you my friend. LOL is LA being smug, sarcastic and friendly all in one sentence LA had no talent for grand tours, but he managed to bribe, bully and pay his way to 7 yellow jersies.So what u saying are all these current teams,can buy the TDF but they choosing not to,,cause you saying money alone buys you a TDF LL you need to take of those chicken tinted glasses, last i looked LA still rode his bike to the finish in +/- 25'000 km of TDF, your'e making out like he got a free ride in the big red car with sunroof. DIPSLICK 1
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