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[Lucky Luke.]

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Edited July 16, 2013 by Lucky Luke.

[igknot]

All sports is about continuous improvement.

I would expect times of non dopers now to be close to that of dopers 10,15 years ago and better.

Who was drinking recovery drinks direclty after a stage or climbing on rollers half an hour after ascending mont Ventoux.

Training with power meters.

Bikes are a lot stiffer and lighter, Chain technology, lubrication.

Lance and his team was cutting edge with a little help from a friend.

 

There is a lot more money in cycling now partly thanks to Lance. and a lot more money in sport in general. Millions are invested in performance research.

 

My point is that you cannot compare a cyclist time 10 years ago to those of today and make a simple deduction that if they break the 18 minute barrier they are dopers.

[Lucky Luke.]

Millions are invested in performance research.

 

quite right there, and millions spent implementing the findings. lord alone knows what they have been.

 

I do think some of the sports scientists who make those deductions would perhaps take offence to your simplistic appraisal of their analysis.

[E1A104]

And gets the girl

 

and BigBen is a girl!

[Ed-Zulu]

So just because Quintana arrived 17 seconds behind Froome he's above suspicion...and why should there be any suspicion based on Sky's pre-tour preperations and the rest day prior to the climb?

 

Simplistic, yes! Not every good performance should be cast in doubt just becuase its draped in a yellow jersey

['Dale]

 

 

And Gary Blem…

 

Good catch for the PRO tech

[V12man]

from a cycling perspective he is South African, as this is where he started racing, so he had all the excuses all the other guys have used for so long, you know, so far form Europe, too expensive to go here and try make it, he raced on local teams like konica etc. so he came form the same school so to speak as all the current local pros yet somehow he made the leap......thats whats fascinating and interesting form a south African perspective,

 

I think he is as much a Saffer as he is British.... he rides for a flag of convenience - whatever works for him - good on him.

 

But he does he own a house in SA, and lives there part of the year... and trains like a demon.... see him often on the road around Christmas time....

 

SA Girfriend.... a hubber too... possibly an ex hubber....

[rock]

 

 

Not every good performance should be cast in doubt just becuase its draped in a yellow jersey

 

been watching the Tour for the past 20 or so years?

[dracs]

I've done a search and not found this anywhere!

 

After Froome's ride up Mont Ventoux yesterday I started wondering how his 'time', 'speed' up the Mont compared with past TDFs.

 

Came upon this:

http://velonews.comp...-present_290708

 

Certainly makes one think.

Wish people would think.

 

Here's some context. Some (not all) of the quicker times were on an ITT.

 

Also note the upper road now has a smooth surface whereas it used to be pitted and rough. Michael Rodgers and others have confirmed favourable wind conditions (though with the switchbacks this obviously varies on the climb)

 

 

 

NEW TOP 50

 

1. 2004: 55:51 Iban Mayo 23.10 km/h

2. 2004: 56:26 Tyler Hamilton 22.86 km/h

3. 1999: 56:50 Jonathan Vaughters 22.70 km/h

4. 2004: 56:54 Oscar Sevilla 22.67 km/h

5. 1999: 57:33 Alexander Vinokourov 22.42 km/h

6. 1994: 57:34 Marco Pantani 22.41 km/h

7. 1999: 57:34 Wladimir Belli 22.41 km/h

8. 2004: 57:39 Juan Miguel Mercado 22.38 km/h

9. 1999: 57:42 Joseba Beloki 22.36 km/h

10. 2004: 57:49 Lance Armstrong 22.31 km/h

11. 1999: 57:52 Lance Armstrong 22.29 km/h

12. 2004: 58:14 Inigo Landaluze 22.15 km/h

13. 1999: 58:15 Kevin Livingston 22.15 km/h

14. 1999: 58:31 David Moncoutie 22.05 km/h

15. 2004: 58:35 José Enrique Gutierrez 22.02 km/h

16. 2009: 58:45 Andy Schleck 21.96 km/h

17. 2009: 58:45 Alberto Contador 21.96 km/h

18. 2009: 58:48 Lance Armstrong 21.94 km/h

19. 2009: 58:50 Fränk Schleck 21.93 km/h

20. 1999: 58:51 Unai Osa 21.92 km/h

21. 2009: 58:53 Roman Kreuziger 21.91 km/h

22. 2002: 59:00 Lance Armstrong 21.86 km/h

23. 2013: 59:00 Chris Froome 21.86 km/h

24. 1994: 59:02 Richard Virenque 21.85 km/h

25. 1994: 59:02 Armand De Las Cuevas 21.85 km/h

26. 1994: 59:02 Luc Leblanc 21.85 km/h

27. 1994: 59:02 Miguel Indurain 21.85 km/h

28. 1994: 59:02 Roberto Conti 21.85 km/h

29. 2009: 59:03 Franco Pellizotti 21.85 km/h

30. 2000: 59:05 Marco Pantani 21.83 km/h

31. 2000: 59:05 Lance Armstrong 21.83 km/h

32. 2009: 59:05 Vincenzo Nibali 21.83 km/h

33. 1994: 59:07 Pascal Lino 21.82 km/h

34. 1999: 59:08 Tyler Hamilton 21.82 km/h

35. 1999: 59:08 Roberto Laiseka 21.82 km/h

36. 2009: 59:10 Bradley Wiggins 21.80 km/h

37. 2004: 59:12 Levi Leipheimer 21.79 km/h

38. 2004: 59:24 Michael Rasmussen 21.72 km/h

39. 2004: 59:27 Stéphane Goubert 21.70 km/h

40. 2013: 59:29 Nairo Quintana 21.69 km/h

41. 2000: 59:30 Joseba Beloki 21.68 km/h

42. 2000: 59:34 Jan Ullrich 21.66 km/h

43. 1999: 59:35 Txema Del Olmo 21.65 km/h

44. 1999: 59:43 Kurt van de Wouwer 21.60 km/h

45. 2009: 59:46 Jurgen Van Den Broeck 21.58 km/h

46. 2004: 59:47 Oscar Pereiro 21.58 km/h

47. 2006: 59:47 Denis Menchov 21.58 km/h

48. 2006: 59:47 Christophe Moreau 21.58 km/h

49. 2009: 59:49 Andreas Klöden 21.57 km/h

50. 2004: 59:50 David Moncoutie 21.56 km/h

Edited July 16, 2013 by dracs

[Lucky Luke.]

So just because Quintana arrived 17 seconds behind Froome he's above suspicion...and why should there be any suspicion based on Sky's pre-tour preperations and the rest day prior to the climb?

 

Simplistic, yes! Not every good performance should be cast in doubt just becuase its draped in a yellow jersey

 

I'm not totally sure what you're saying, but to state the obvious - that no way in hell is Quintana above suspicion. The guy comes from nowhere and pummels all the dopers after spending his formative years training in Columbia. The place is well known for having virtually zero controls. That is in no way any kind of judgement, but in cycling terms, it is a million miles from 'above suspicion'.

[Ed-Zulu]

been watching the Tour for the past 20 or so years?

I hear you...just that all focus is on Froom and no questions on second man home?

[Ed-Zulu]

I'm not totally sure what you're saying, but to state the obvious - that no way in hell is Quintana above suspicion. The guy comes from nowhere and pummels all the dopers after spending his formative years training in Columbia. The place is well known for having virtually zero controls. That is in no way any kind of judgement, but in cycling terms, it is a million miles from 'above suspicion'.

Thank you, exactly what I'm saying!

[Lucky Luke.]

been watching the Tour for the past 20 or so years?

 

A hundred years of rich doping history at this event. One guy crushing all the other dopers - with years of EPO-powered adaptations to their systems - by a massive margin. Occams razor is saying to me, Luke you'd be an idiot not to question it.

[kosmonooit]

I think he is as much a Saffer as he is British.... he rides for a flag of convenience - whatever works for him - good on him.

 

But he does he own a house in SA, and lives there part of the year... and trains like a demon.... see him often on the road around Christmas time....

 

SA Girfriend.... a hubber too... possibly an ex hubber....

 

 

Yes he was lucky to be born with a British passport, wish I could say the same for myself if only to avoid having to get visa to visit Europe and most of the world. And it certainly would have been handy back in the days when I was dodging the army! (as a few of my mates had).

 

Brailsford said he spotted Chris at the 2008 (?) Commonwealth games, and once he found out he had a British passport the rest was history.

[Tumbleweed]

I'm not totally sure what you're saying, but to state the obvious - that no way in hell is Quintana above suspicion. The guy comes from nowhere and pummels all the dopers after spending his formative years training in Columbia. The place is well known for having virtually zero controls. That is in no way any kind of judgement, but in cycling terms, it is a million miles from 'above suspicion'.

 

Wasn't there a Colombian who tested positive for coke, but said it was on sweets from his mum?

['Dale]

He calls SA home.

He is employed by the Union Jack.