dracs Posted July 16, 2013 Share Not sure what more the guy can do - he engages everyone who asks him the same questions day and and day out, his team principal has now offered a viable option to prove his innocence (something that he shouldn't have to do), many insiders previously considered to be at the forefront of anti-doping have confirmed they believe the guys is clean or at least have no reason to believe he is not (including Le Mond, Walsh, Miller etc etc), yet twitter and forum "experts" (such as those above) who know better are CERTAIN he is not for real.. Agh anyway - I am wasting no more energy on this. I just feel for the guy - this should be his moment in the sun and it is being kakked on by so many people "better" than him. If he doped then this will come out one day - for now I give him all the kudo's I can. TiBones, EZRider, Robodog and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Dale Posted July 16, 2013 Share Not sure what more the guy can do - he engages everyone who asks him the same questions day and and day out, his team principal has now offered a viable option to prove his innocence (something that he shouldn't have to do), many insiders previously considered to be at the forefront of anti-doping have confirmed they believe the guys is clean or at least have no reason to believe he is not (including Le Mond, Walsh, Miller etc etc), yet twitter and forum "experts" (such as those above) who know better are CERTAIN he is not for real.. Agh anyway - I am wasting no more energy on this. I just feel for the guy - this should be his moment in the sun and it is being kakked on by so many people "better" than him. If he doped then this will come out one day - for now I give him all the kudo's I can. dracs, Facing the scathing and doubting media is an occupational hazard of being a PRO cyclist in the current era.All he has to do is to race clean.Credibility checks and queries are part of the job. Understandably. I'm sure management coach their riders into managing the firing of difficult questions by the media. Edited July 16, 2013 by ' Dale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldron Posted July 16, 2013 Share thank you and yes I agree - quite obviously weight is a factor in climbs and not really in (flat) time trials. I don't think I said otherwise... Anyway, at the risk of flogging a very dead horse, for a given weight and aero profile, having an exceptional ability to sustain power on a climb will improve your ability to sustain power on a TT. This is why the top GC riders tend to also be in the top 3 or 4 TT'ers... Froome is the rule in this regard, not the exception... Ok let's proper flog this horse :-) I sort of agree - the ability to maintain high power outputs on climbs is similar to a TT. The part where the points diverge is that Tony Martin etc are not limited by having to keep their weight down - they can concentrate on making max power (within reason of course). Chris Froome has to find the balance between max power AND weight - that balance can only adversely affect his TT performance. Personally I think that balance should put top climbers out of the top 10 of TTs. Just my opinion of course. Absolutely smashing specialist climbers AND specialist TTers sounds alarm bells for me. That said - when I watch Froome kick ass I still feel that warm fuzzy semi South African pride. My quasi scientific assumptions above are just that - assumptions - they don't affect my love of the tour at all. DIPSLICK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christie Posted July 16, 2013 Share The thing with science and training methods is that it is all known. The gains from new training methods, new types of intervals, oprimized aero position etc is incremental. Im pretty sure the gains of Sky come from some sort of supplement. The question for me is if the supplement is banned or not. X-Man 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Dale Posted July 16, 2013 Share The thing with science and training methods is that it is all known. The gains from new training methods, new types of intervals, oprimized aero position etc is incremental. Im pretty sure the gains of Sky come from some sort of supplement. The question for me is if the supplement is banned or not. Beetroot juice with ginger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcza Posted July 16, 2013 Share The fact that we are asking these questions means the UCI is not doing its job. whoEls, DIPSLICK and dracs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jatho Posted July 16, 2013 Share Not sure what more the guy can do - he engages everyone who asks him the same questions day and and day out, his team principal has now offered a viable option to prove his innocence (something that he shouldn't have to do), many insiders previously considered to be at the forefront of anti-doping have confirmed they believe the guys is clean or at least have no reason to believe he is not (including Le Mond, Walsh, Miller etc etc), yet twitter and forum "experts" (such as those above) who know better are CERTAIN he is not for real.. Agh anyway - I am wasting no more energy on this. I just feel for the guy - this should be his moment in the sun and it is being kakked on by so many people "better" than him. If he doped then this will come out one day - for now I give him all the kudo's I can. Amen to that! I wasn't going to comment, but I noted earlier in the forum topic someone had taken an extract from Froome & Brailsford's press conference yesterday and the extract on its own can very easily be taken out of context (which it has been), so I'll take the bit that was omitted and to the doping experts and arm chair critics, if this isn't proof enough that SKY have nothing to hide and aren't willing to try prove as much then nothing is! Here it is.... Brailsford demanded to know from his audience of more than 100 journalists whether they could come up with a foolproof way for Team Sky to prove that their riders were clean. “You tell me, what could we do so we wouldn’t have to answer the same question over and over?”His suggestion was to share the team’s power data information with the World Anti-Doping Agency but not the public, thus protecting the team’s professional advantages but also making them subject to scrutiny.“They can have everything we’ve got, they can come and live with us, they can come and dig up all our information, they can see all out data, have access to every single training file we’ve got and then they can compare the training files to the blood data to weight.“Wada would be a body with the right expertise to analyse that data and then they can tell the world whether it’s credible or not.” Edited July 16, 2013 by jatho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotSoBigBen Posted July 16, 2013 Share Beetroot juice with ginger. I'd rather be slow than take that crap but maybe that's why I am Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rock Posted July 16, 2013 Share lots of words, i'll wait til he actually releases power data to anyone, not just suggesting that he might..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rock Posted July 16, 2013 Share many insiders previously considered to be at the forefront of anti-doping have confirmed they believe the guys is clean or at least have no reason to believe he is not (including Le Mond, Walsh, Miller etc etc), yet twitter and forum "experts" (such as those above) who know better are CERTAIN he is not for real.. I would also shout as loud as I could that the winner is clean, then know one would suspect me of being juiced up mid-pack......and my teams sponsor would stick around for a few more years to keep paying me. so why wouldn't other riders say hes clean..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldron Posted July 16, 2013 Share Devil's advocate says: http://www.2oceansvibe.com/2013/01/17/the-best-lance-armstrong-doping-denials/ “How many times do I have to say it? … Well, if it can’t be any clearer than ‘I’ve never taken drugs,’” – videotaped testimony in lawsuit, 2005. Bwaaahahahaha. Wiggo and Froomedawgs timing has to be the worst in history. Sad that I find humour in that I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jatho Posted July 16, 2013 Share lots of words, i'll wait til he actually releases power data to anyone, not just suggesting that he might..... I think if they were hiding something they'd be a little more reluctant to make this suggestion in the first place. He's put it on the table, the ball is in WADA's court. dracs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bike Mob Posted July 16, 2013 Share I'm just assuming that they are all still as dirty as hell, just a bit smarter about testing etc. That way I can enjoy the spectacle and not be surprised and outraged when the positives shows up in a week or 2's time. Do you honestly think they have not been testing anyone so far and wait until after the presentation in Paris before posting results? especially the Maillot Jaune... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velouria Posted July 16, 2013 Share Do you honestly think they have not been testing anyone so far and wait until after the presentation in Paris before posting results? especially the Maillot Jaune... You've forgotten about the 2006 TDF already? Or 2010? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJR Posted July 16, 2013 Share Beetroot juice with ginger. You may be onto something - apparently race horse trainers put a piece of fresh ginger up the backside of a horse to make him run faster. The expression on the faces of some riders going up Mt Ventoux looked like they..... you get my drift? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwissVan Posted July 16, 2013 Share lots of words, i'll wait til he actually releases power data to anyone, not just suggesting that he might..... I always thought that power was evil...long live the HRM The whole point...imo....the doping question has been raised and asked enough already, when can we have some other more intelligent questions? Like:Where is Sir Bradley and what is he up to?Has Sir Bradley said anything to you in the last 3 weeks, what?What is your favorite training session, and why?Which is your least favorite training session, and why?Where will you be on Xmas day this year?How many hours did you ride on last Xmas day?Is your girlfriend still friends with Sir Brads wife (trick question)? rock 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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