Helpmytrap Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 PS what race do you do that is 7 hours long....demmit.The one you take a wrong turn on. rouxtjie 1
rouxtjie Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 The one you take a wrong turn on. whaaaaaahhaaaaaaa :clap: :clap:
jcza Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 (edited) The one you take a wrong turn on. Not you HMT but us mere mortals take forever!! Edited February 18, 2014 by jcza
Helpmytrap Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 Not you HMT but us mere mortals take forever!!If it makes you feel any better, you'll move one position up on Saturday. I went to the physio today (first time ever) and have been instructed to stay off the bike for 2-3 weeks as she fixes all of my muscle imbalances and weak core. I'll still be in Sabie for the weekend though, helping the Advendurance guys a bit where needed.
jcza Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 If it makes you feel any better, you'll move one position up on Saturday. I went to the physio today (first time ever) and have been instructed to stay off the bike for 2-3 weeks as she fixes all of my muscle imbalances and weak core. I'll still be in Sabie for the weekend though, helping the Advendurance guys a bit where needed. See you there, please make sure they have enough water!
rouxtjie Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 See you there, please make sure they have enough water! You going for 7 hours? jcza 1
jcza Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 You going for 7 hours? No way I'm doing Ultra at Sabie so hopefully it will be less
rouxtjie Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 No way I'm doing Ultra at Sabie so hopefully it will be less naais oom....respect points earned.
Helpmytrap Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 See you there, please make sure they have enough water! Advendurance doesn't own this event, so it is the local guys that are in charge of most of the event aspects.Just in case you want to point fingers at me.
Andrew Steer Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 I'm an average Joe, but as far as I am concerned this stuff is the business... Not cheap (Dischem does have a special quite regularly which helps) but I have never even considered going back to any of the many drinks I had tried before hand. I only use it for races or 3 hour plus rides.If you haven't ever tried it, I would suggest giving it a go - they do sell single serving sachets... Tropical Fruit flavour for me, but each to their own.
Andrew Steer Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 Also a big Rehidrat fan - one the night before a big ride to make sure I am going in with decent electrolyte levels. Also great for recovery...
_David_ Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 Saw an interesting program on Pom (BBC or ITV not sure which one) TV last, missed the beginning (and the end....) but they were talking about the PLACEBO effect and at the time I flicked over to the specific channel were showing some top British track cyclists being fed some sort of wonder pill and then doing tests around a track.... Long story short, some of the guys who took a PLACEBO pill broke their own PB's and even some of the other cyclists who they had never beaten before... And then there was a interview with a surgeon who performed back surgery on patients but without actually doing the critical part of the procedure (injecting cement / glue) leaving the patients thinking that he did the full procedure.... and they walked out of the hospital saying they feel much better.... Just saying, maybe next time just swish the expensive supplement around your mouth, pretending to swallow and then recycle it back into your drinks bottle.... I read about it yesterday "Doctors have known for hundreds of years that when a patient expects their condition to improve, it does. Research in the field of placebo studies has boomed over the last decade, and the evidence is growing that a placebo effect can be a powerful thing." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-26191713 SwissVan 1
D Vader Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 (edited) That's exactly how evidence-based medicine works. Take one isolated example where a treatment "supposedly" helped you and blanket it across all homeopathic remedies. It has been consistently shown to be no better than placebo. And honestly, the concept is so whack. Diluting something makes it stronger, curing like with like. Madness.Double blind placebo trials have consistently proven that homoepathic remedies do work.Surgery has the highest placebo effect ( close to 75%). So do not discount placebo. ( ave 33% effective)Homeopathic remedies have been proved to be very effective in the treatment of babies and animals ( both are not susceptible to placebo.Please contact the faculties of homeopathy at Uj and DUT for proper, factual research statistics.Homeopathic remedies are not just simply diluted solutions, the dilution is merely an aspect of the solution. The solution is changed in its structure not so much in its chemical composition. Nice research done in NMR spectroscopy analysis of homoeopathic remedies to illustrate this.Cure like with like is madness, I wonder where vaccinations apply? Edited February 18, 2014 by D Vader
D Vader Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 Anyway this thread was about Nutritional supplementation, not homeopathy.So many 'medical specialists' on the Hub.
TopFuel Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 Double blind placebo trials have consistently proven that homoepathic remedies do work.Surgery has the highest placebo effect ( close to 75%). So do not discount placebo. ( ave 33% effective)Homeopathic remedies have been proved to be very effective in the treatment of babies and animals ( both are not susceptible to placebo.Please contact the faculties of homeopathy at Uj and DUT for proper, factual research statistics.Homeopathic remedies are not just simply diluted solutions, the dilution is merely an aspect of the solution. The solution is changed in its structure not so much in its chemical composition. Nice research done in NMR spectroscopy analysis of homoeopathic remedies to illustrate this.Cure like with like is madness, I wonder where vaccinations apply? Please provide links to the evidence you refer to. Cause I stated that it is no better than placebo, which is what I have read about the subject. Also, please elaborate on the placebo effect of surgery? So only 25% actually do something? I'm unsure. The placebo effect is a weird and wonderful area of science, but in my opinion is splashed around far too liberally when there is insufficient evidence. This clearly applies to homeopathy. The standard solution is (and I'm not joking) one molecule of active ingredient in a sphere filled with water from earth to the sun. So I'm very interested to read these high quality studies that you claim shows homeopathy to be better than placebo. Everything else I have read shows a statistically insignificant difference. On the topic of vaccines, incomparable. Vaccines have a clearly defined well research immunological mechanism. I can explain if you want but its available in any immunology textbook or on immunopaedia.org. And bringing up MMR? It was completely disproven in every subsequent study after that idiot Andrew Wakefield published his incorrect, falsified data. And finally, I quite frankly find it dispicable that a tertiary education facility can even begin to accept what is scientifically a hoax (in homeopathy), let alone have a faculty dedicated to it. Show me one piece of high quality evidence for it and I'll change my tune.
SwissVan Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 I read about it yesterday "Doctors have known for hundreds of years that when a patient expects their condition to improve, it does. Research in the field of placebo studies has boomed over the last decade, and the evidence is growing that a placebo effect can be a powerful thing." http://www.bbc.co.uk...health-26191713 Yeah, now my wife knows......and wants to know why I worry about importing 32GI
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