Cycling terrorists

[MintSauce]

....a fist fit would have sorted the problum out right there and then

 

 

These guys don't have the balls for a fist fight....that's why it was a 'hit and run'

 

 

 

[lowracer]

can you remember what bikes they were riding?

[GreyOwl]

Ok guys, its all sorted out. No need to worry about it anymore. Thanks for the concern.

[IanC]

Grey owl.

Some advice. If it was in the afternoon it is probably youngsters still in school going for there afternoon training session.

If so they probaly use the same route every day.

Go wait more or less the same time on that route and take a camera.

You will probably recognize them, take a foto and send it to Ali or Andrew.

These youngsters will then know that you onto them anyway.

[TheLegend]

 

Grey owl.

Some advice. If it was in the afternoon it is probably youngsters still in school going for there afternoon training session.

If so they probaly use the same route every day.

Go wait more or less the same time on that route and take a camera.

You will probably recognize them' date=' take a foto and send it to Ali or Andrew.

These youngsters will then know that you onto them anyway.

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or raw eggs, tomatoes and oranges and the games can begin!

 

[2 X 2]

GO and your buddy.  Some interresting facts:

 

Did you know that a cyclist has 1 and a halve metre from the side of the road to the inside of the road to cycle in?  If there is a yellow lane it is 1 and a halve metre from the yellow lane to the inside of the road?  You as motorist must pass them with 2 metre space between your car and them.  Even if they were cycling in single file, it means that you must change lanes when you pass a cyclist on a single road.

 

I am not trying to justify the fact that they cycled two abreast.

 

You as cyclist yourself should know how annoying it is when you cycle and you hear a car sitting at your back, hooting for you to get out of the way.  Did you expect them to move off the road?  As explained above, even in single file you were not allowed to pass them without changing lanes.

 

I also cannot believe that someone would kick in a carrs door for just hooting at them, because then al of us would do it

 

Please enlighten us on the outcome of this incident.  I would like to hear the cyclists story as well

[Pantani]

 

 

 

I have just returned to the office after a

lunch with another HUBBER.

 

On our drive home we came across 4 cyclists riding 2 abreast

on a busy road. We could not get past' date=' and at first we are patient. After

30seconds I reached over and pushed the horn to tell them to move.

Thye just ignore us. Then we hoot again and the one cyclist turn and give us

the finger.

 

So we manage to pull alongside when the traffic clears

and I tell them that we too are cyclist and that they should know

beter. They start shouting and swear at us. So we drive on

 

At the next robot we are stopped, and they catch up to

us. The one kick the door of my friends car as they come past slowly, and

quickly ride off.

 

We try to catch them, but have no luck finding them once we

turn and go back. There is now a big scratch and dent in the door.

 

These 4 youngsters are riding in

Supercycling/Toyota kit. It is a disgrace, and we were at first patient

with them. No wonder we get so much trouble from motorists when we ride. 

 

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(of course i'm sitting here waiting for the peeps to start

justifying this behaviour - i know that there are some who are going to' date='

or who will be darned tempted to!)

 

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Slowpoke, as if you knew it would be me?  Hahahaha?

 

 

 

As a cyclist, when I come across other cyclists enjoying the

highways and byways of our country, I don?t suddenly put on my coat or

righteousness and proceed to castigate them because they held me up for 30

seconds! If you said to me you drove behind them for 3 kilometres before you

decided to take action then you might be able to convince me that you had

indeed displayed patience. But no, 30 seconds is patience!

 

 

 

Secondly, why are you reaching over from the passenger seat

and fiddling with the controls of the vehicle? If something went wrong you

could have caused a catastrophic accident with oncoming vehicles, never mind

plough into the ?Terrorist Cyclists?. Let?s get back to patience. So the driver

seemingly didn?t feel the need to hit the hooter but you did? Is this again a

demonstration of patience? Also, why did the driver not hit the hooter himself?

I?ll tell you why? As a cyclist he could identify with the situation that was

playing out before him. I?m sure that GO as a cyclist with many years

experience on the road has found himself in a similar situation and was merely

doing what he as a cyclist would expect of a passing motorist. However it seems

the passenger took over the controls of his vehicle and proceeded to hoot at

the said ?Terrorist Cyclists?.  If you were

patient and a considerate fellow cyclist, couldn?t you have waited till the set

of traffic lights to make your feelings known, in a manner that would be clear

to the cyclists? Instead you chose to hoot at them, not once but twice. Hitting

a hooter does not tell anybody to move. A hooter doesn?t speak or make clear

your intentions. What it does do is alert those in the immediate vicinity. How

were those cyclists supposed to know if you were hooting at them? Have you

heard what a car hooter sounds like when it?s honked behind you? Sometimes it?s

difficult to distinguish whom it is intended for? It could be for anybody.

Generally, how long the hooter is pressed for sometimes can communicate a sense

of urgency or indeed anger. I have to question how you pressed this hooter to

make these cyclists respond the way they did.

 

 

 

I believe that in this situation you have displayed poor

judgement and have failed to communicate effectively. It comes as no surprise

to me then that the situation deteriorated to the point where your friend?s car

door was dented. You are in fact responsible for the door being dented. Had you

in fact been patient and waited till the traffic light and been clear to the

cyclists about their riding instead of coming across as a militant motorist

hooting indiscriminately. GO also doesn?t seem to be morally outraged. Why? GO,

were you driving the car at the time? Why was it not you as the driver of the

vehicle doing the hooting? Perhaps you were thinking that you should give them

more time to recognise that there was a car behind them and allow them time to

get their house in order? I?m perturbed by the fact that the passenger touched

the controls. I drive a car, and nobody touches my steering wheel when I am

driving. Did you state this clearly in your report to the police and your

insurance company that your passenger was fiddling with the steering wheel

while you were driving? Oh, but I digress?

 

 

 

So after hooting like militant motorists without identifying

yourself to the cyclists you are now surprised and offended at the fact that

they in turn gave you the proverbial bird! So now you come to The Hub, playing

the victim, because one of your own gave you the finger and told you where to

get off and before I forget, put a dent in your friend?s door?

 

 

 

Satan, is this post here because you need to justify what

happened so that your friend feels better about his dented door? Perhaps this

wouldn?t have happened if GO were allowed to remain in control of his hooter. I

am sure that as an experienced cyclist GO was prepared to wait till it was safe

to pass the cyclists. It?s what I do whenever I come across cyclists.

 

 

 

To call these cyclists ?Terrorist Cyclists? I think is

uncalled for. The impatient hooting of the vehicle behind them could easily

have provoked them. Are we to believe that Satan only hooted twice and for half

a second with a cheerful tone each time? Or is it probable that he hooted more than twice, and each time with such venom, and don?t pretend you don?t

know what I mean by venom, that the now confused cyclists think yet another

crazy impatient motorist confronts them. At the traffic lights I am sure the

conversation could have made sailors blush. But again, to elicit the response

of a dented door I have to assume that on the balance of probability both

parties said much. People don?t kick in doors for no reason. Cyclists don?t

kick in doors for no reason.

 

 

 

I?m not here to defend the 4 ?Terrorist Cyclists?, throwing

signs and kicking doors in isn?t my style. But I believe we have two gentlemen

her playing the victim because what seemed straightforward went horribly wrong.

Why? Because as cyclists they could have exercised better judgement and we

wouldn?t be here talking about ?Terrorist Cyclists?. What hasn?t been mentioned

yet is to what extent the men in the vehicle provoked the ?Terrorist Cyclists?.

We only have the account of the men in the vehicle. Are we to throw up a cry of

collective righteous moral outrage because their door was dented? I am

sceptical about the entire story. Satan seems outraged, but he should, it?s his

fault GO?s door is dented. GO seems indifferent, and I think it?s because he

knows the situation could have been handled better.

 

 

 

What about the 4 ?Terrorist Cyclists?? Well, we will wait

for the Cyclelab inquest. I am sure you will find a story of provocation,

abusive insults and egregiously insidious conduct.

 

Pantani2008-02-28 00:12:37

[Pantani]

Yes... go and run for your popcorn and coke!

[GreyOwl]

Pantani...you are very much on the right track.

 

I did not "hoot" and it was me that was driving. I waited, and my passenger was the one angry.

 

Backlash, you will be happy to know that I did not pull alongside them until I had no traffic coming in the opposite direction.

 

I know what its like as a cyclist, and I also told my friend not to post because it would cause a big argument, and nobody is ever going to hear every side of the story.

 

But he was feeling bad about what happened, and many a stern word was exchanged between us in the car after the incident.

[slowpoke]

pantani, you are simply the devil's advocate that we know will always chirp whether or not you actually believe what you're saying!

 

nah, someone else has already rpoven my poitn.

 

end of the day, to set the record straight to Backlash, the law states:

 

 

Riding on pedal cycles

311. (1) No person shall ride a pedal cycle on a public road unless he or she is seated astride on the saddle of such pedal cycle.

(2) Persons riding pedal cycles on a public road shall ride in single file except in the course of overtaking another pedal cycle' date=' and two or more persons riding pedal cycles shall not overtake another vehicle at the same time.

(3) No person riding or seated on a pedal cycle on a public road shall take hold of any other vehicle in motion.

(4) No person riding a pedal cycle on a public road shall deliberately cause such pedal cycle to swerve from side to side.

(5) No person riding a pedal cycle on a public road shall carry thereon any person, animal or object which obstructs his or her view or which prevents him or her from exercising complete control over the movements of such pedal cycle.

(6) A person riding a pedal cycle on a public road shall do so with at least one hand on the handle-bars of such pedal cycle.

(7) Whenever a portion of a public road has been set aside for use by persons riding pedal cycles, no person shall ride a pedal cycle on any other portion of such road.

(8) A person riding a pedal cycle on a public road or a portion of a public road set aside for use by persons riding pedal cycles, shall do so in such manner that all the wheels of such pedal cycle are in contact with the surface of the road at all times.[/quote']

please note point 2

[Spinnekop]

Dis nou eers Donderdag en eks al klaar deur die halwe bottel Wisky.....Skoon coke en popcorn is net nie meer genoeg nie.

 

 

[MintSauce]

It doesn't matter what was said, shouted or hooted.

 

It cannot possibly justify them kicking the car. Not in any way.

 

Can you agree on that Pantani?

 

I still hope that the club can bring them to account!

 

 

 

 

[Pantani]

 

pantani' date=' you are simply the devil's advocate that we know will always chirp whether or not you actually believe what you're saying!

 

nah, someone else has already rpoven my poitn.

 

 

end of the day, to set the record straight to Backlash, the law states:

 

[/quote']

 

Nope Slowpoke, I speak what I believe, and GreyOwl has just confirmed what I suspected...

 

[ewep]

 

Dis nou eers Donderdag en eks al klaar deur die halwe bottel Wisky.....Skoon coke en popcorn is net nie meer genoeg nie.

 

 

 

Ek het nog so 'n snertsie Brandewyn oor if you're interested.

 

[Windbreaker]

 

I realise the importance of doing something about it this. And I have been through the appropriate channels.

 

Its been reported at the Police station' date=' and my insurance is already arranging the relevant.

 

 

 

I am not in any way turning a blind eye to this behaviour. The only problem is that we have no idea as to who they were. And I cannot just go and confront the very first cyclist I find on the road, and blame it on him. Believe me, its terribly frustrating and I will not have a good nights sleep because of this.

 

 

 

Please understand, it is not the club, or any of the sponsors fault in any way. And I have no intention of ever saying that it was. Please understand this.

 

 

 

I do not know what more to say.[/quote']GO you have just said it in response to Pantani's posting. Unfortunately it is about 16 hrs too late. Sure no-one has the right to kick a car door in but we still haven't heard EXACTLY what transpired in the minutes before the door was kicked. I am guessing that Patani is right on the button there too and Satan was being very aggressive and self-righteous.

 

To clear this up once and for all maybe you should "tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth ... m'lord"

 

[Pantani]

 

It doesn't matter what was said' date=' shouted or hooted.

 

It cannot possibly justify them kicking the car. Not in any way.

 

Can you agree on that Pantani?

 

I still hope that the club can bring them to account!

 

 

 

 

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Of course I agree. Like I said in my post, throwing signs and kicking doors in isn't my style. What I questioned was the motive behind the post and the labeling of the cyclists as terrorists.