Geax Saguaro Tyre, will not go on the rim

[sawystertrance]

Controlled brute strength and soap water will do the job. Maybe try plastic tire levers with the metal inserts.

Getting them on hasn't been the problem. It's the inflating that's not working.

[rouxtjie]

Hi Rouxtjie, and thanks for the reply. I have read your posts on other forums and especially about using the sun. Unfortunately I started the process before reading your posts and the sun was way gone by the time I left the garage crying. If that is your suggestion I will have to wait until Saturday but here is what I did.

1. Cleaned out old slime from rim. ( I had tubeless Racing Ralphs on before)

2. Seated valve securely.

3. Wet rim and tyre with soapy water.

3. Put tyre on using levers and some deft footwork.

4. Spent the next 10 mins trying to inflate with compressor.

 

I have since watched the video on the hub and it seems the only thing I didn't do is suspend the wheel while inflating. It all seemed so easy on the video I just wondered if I was wasting my time with rims which don't work with these tyres.

Cheers

Ok right...here is what I do with a new conversion.

 

1.Clean inside of rims with meths

2.Tape 2 layers of rim tape(i know 1 will do but it sets my mind at ease and also aids in getting that initial seal)

3.Cut hole in tape with stanley for tubeless valve and fit tubeless valve..hand tighten nut!

4.Fit tyre making sure the tread is facing the right way

 

Now I take it you have gotten to here right....but then struggled

 

5.Soap bead and tyre with sunlight liquid and water...dont be shy, this will help in getting the intial seal and bead popping tight

6.Now here is the magic sauce that people often skip....REMOVE THE VALVE CORE from valve. This will allow a bigger amount of air to go into the tyre quicker...TRUST ME ON THIS ONE

7.Try and get a seal going without any sealant yet, also pul the bead towards the outer edges of the rim if it sits in the middle of the rim profile. Try and get as even bead distribution in rim...the wider the better. Its not always possible because of the packaging that the tyre had and the memory but try.

8.Look for big amount of bubbles from soapy liquid and focus on pulling the tyre bead apart as above. The bubbles will give away the biggest leaks.

9.Eight out of ten times you should get a seal going just by doing the above especially if you have a UST tyre...Tubeless ready tyres sometimes takes more convincing depending on rim and tyre combo.

10. Add sealant if it still doesnt want to give you a seal...now this is the part you want to play smart cause it will be messy of you dont get it right...also the reason I leave the "adding sealant" as a last step

[sawystertrance]

Ok right...here is what I do with a new conversion.

 

1.Clean inside of rims with meths

2.Tape 2 layers of rim tape(i know 1 will do but it sets my mind at ease and also aids in getting that initial seal)

3.Cut hole in tape with stanley for tubeless valve

4.Fit tyre making sure the tread is facing the right way

 

Now I take it you have gotten to here right....but then struggled

 

5.Soap bead and tyre with sunlight liquid and water...dont be shy, this will help in getting the intial seal and bead popping tight

6.Now here is the magic sauce that people often skip....REMOVE THE VALVE CORE from valve. This will allow a bigger amount of air to go into the tyre quicker...TRUST ME ON THIS ONE

7.Try and get a seal going without any sealant yet, also pul the bead towards the outer edges of the rim if it sits in the middle of the rim profile. Try and get as even bead distribution in rim...the wider the better. Its not always possible because of the packaging that the tyre had and the memory but try.

8.Look for big amount of bubbles from soapy liquid and focus on pulling the tyre bead apart as above. The bubbles will give away the biggest leaks.

9.Eight out of ten times you should get a seal going just by doing the above especially if you have a UST tyre...Tubeless ready tyres sometimes takes more convincing depending on rim and tyre combo.

10. Add sealant if it still doesnt want to give you a seal...now this is the part you want to play smart cause it will be messy of you dont get it right...also the reason I leave the "adding sealant" as a last step

Cool. I forgot to mention, the only other thing contained in the video which I didn't do is remove the valve core. Will give that a go. Do you think I should remove the tyres and bake in the sun?

[rouxtjie]

Cool. I forgot to mention, the only other thing contained in the video which I didn't do is remove the valve core. Will give that a go. Do you think I should remove the tyres and bake in the sun?

Meneer...its a must. It allows alot of air to go into the tyre...exactly what you need. Skip the bake in the sun if you havent tried the valve core thing.

 

With that...remember, with the valve core out, lots of air will come into the tyre...so you wont have a seal and then suddenly you will, once the tyre gets to about 2.5 bar...remove compressor nozzle and put your finger over the valve...you need to be quick needless to say. All that this does is do a stretch of the tyre by getting the bead as close to its final position as possible.

 

Now magic sauce no 2....let little bits of air out at a time with your finger...this will keep that bead close to where it should be instead of shrivling up if you let all the air out at once because of packaging memory. Fill tyre with 2 syringes of stans..be carefull ito no upsetting the tyre's position...you dont want to touch the tyre in all honesty.

 

Then gooi compressor again and it will bead in an instant cause you didnt fiddle with it position and in the process loose no stans on the floor. Now put your finger over the valve again at about 2.5 bar...but this time, you put the core back in...need quick fingers again.

 

Pump up with footpump after core is in and shake wheelto distribute stans...done

[Vangar]

Ok right...here is what I do with a new conversion.

 

1.Clean inside of rims with meths

2.Tape 2 layers of rim tape(i know 1 will do but it sets my mind at ease and also aids in getting that initial seal)

3.Cut hole in tape with stanley for tubeless valve and fit tubeless valve..hand tighten nut!

4.Fit tyre making sure the tread is facing the right way

 

Now I take it you have gotten to here right....but then struggled

 

5.Soap bead and tyre with sunlight liquid and water...dont be shy, this will help in getting the intial seal and bead popping tight

6.Now here is the magic sauce that people often skip....REMOVE THE VALVE CORE from valve. This will allow a bigger amount of air to go into the tyre quicker...TRUST ME ON THIS ONE

7.Try and get a seal going without any sealant yet, also pul the bead towards the outer edges of the rim if it sits in the middle of the rim profile. Try and get as even bead distribution in rim...the wider the better. Its not always possible because of the packaging that the tyre had and the memory but try.

8.Look for big amount of bubbles from soapy liquid and focus on pulling the tyre bead apart as above. The bubbles will give away the biggest leaks.

9.Eight out of ten times you should get a seal going just by doing the above especially if you have a UST tyre...Tubeless ready tyres sometimes takes more convincing depending on rim and tyre combo.

10. Add sealant if it still doesnt want to give you a seal...now this is the part you want to play smart cause it will be messy of you dont get it right...also the reason I leave the "adding sealant" as a last step

 

The ultimate guide. Couldn't get non tubeless Racing Ralphs to inflate on Alex Lite Rims. Removed the valve core and BOOM first shot.

 

P.S Rouxtjie you forgot: 4.1, if the rim has graphics make sure to line them up with the tyre's graphics....or be forever reminded of your shame (or at leasts until you can be bothered to fix it)

[rouxtjie]

The ultimate guide. Couldn't get non tubeless Racing Ralphs to inflate on Alex Lite Rims. Removed the valve core and BOOM first shot.

 

P.S Rouxtjie you forgot: 4.1, if the rim has graphics make sure to line them up with the tyre's graphics....or be forever reminded of your shame (or at leasts until you can be bothered to fix it)

hhehhehe sure...its all in the details.

 

Pity you are in cpt sawystertrance, you could have popped around to my place with your sealant and a six pack and I would have done it for mahala, sommer showing you along the way. This is really something that a home mech can and should master considering the going rate for this is around 150 skille per wheel at lbs. You also need to clean / redo this at least every six months to ensure the tubeless system stays efficient.

[HOEKVLAG]

Rouxtjie covered everything brilliantly - this page is like the holy grail of fitting tubeless tyres! The only (fairly obvious) thing that I've struggled with in addition to the above is not cleaning the old dried sludge of the tyre edge when using the same ones after checking everything.

[sawystertrance]

Rouxtjie, Thanks for the offer of help up North and all the great advice you have given me here - but it still doesn't inflate. 2 layers of tape as recommended and I took the valve out, but now the compressor nozzle won't fit. I have a presta valve and use that famous brass adapter normally.

 

Now that I have removed the core the adapter has nothing to grip onto and without it the compressor nozzle is too large as it is meant for a car.

I even laid the wheel down flat so as to get no pressure on the tyre but no, it just won't inflate. I think I may take it to the LBS to see if they can do it. Perhaps it is the wheels/tyres combo after all?

[Vangar]

Rouxtjie, Thanks for the offer of help up North and all the great advice you have given me here - but it still doesn't inflate. 2 layers of tape as recommended and I took the valve out, but now the compressor nozzle won't fit. I have a presta valve and use that famous brass adapter normally.

 

Now that I have removed the core the adapter has nothing to grip onto and without it the compressor nozzle is too large as it is meant for a car.

I even laid the wheel down flat so as to get no pressure on the tyre but no, it just won't inflate. I think I may take it to the LBS to see if they can do it. Perhaps it is the wheels/tyres combo after all?

 

Just push the compressor nozzle over. It wont grip but the amount of air it pushes should do it. A thumb on the tire diectly over the valve helps push the bead out too.

[sawystertrance]

Just push the compressor nozzle over. It wont grip but the amount of air it pushes should do it. A thumb on the tire diectly over the valve helps push the bead out too.

Tried that too. It just leaks past the valve. My valve is a long-stem one. Is that what you are talking about too?

[rouxtjie]

Tried that too. It just leaks past the valve. My valve is a long-stem one. Is that what you are talking about too?

Eish, like vangar says, you dont actually thread the nozzle over, but rather just keep it over the valve hole....ok meneer, backup plan two.....bombs....now I dont like this option at all, but if that is what it will take, so be it. make sure your tyre sits as close to the edges of the rim as possible, apply lots of soapy water and put sealant in,

 

Not ideal I know...alternatively go to a garage...but its admin.

 

Quick question how many l/min is your compressor rated

[rouxtjie]

PS the reason I am asking about the l/min is that anything under 160l/min is a waste of time...it just doesnt produce enough air, quick enough for stubborn tubeless ready tyres. I have the T-max compressor and although it works fine, I wouldnt go anything under it, you will be better off going to the local BP.

[scotty]

Eish, like vangar says, you dont actually thread the nozzle over, but rather just keep it over the valve hole....ok meneer, backup plan two.....bombs....now I dont like this option at all, but if that is what it will take, so be it. make sure your tyre sits as close to the edges of the rim as possible, apply lots of soapy water and put sealant in,

 

Not ideal I know...alternatively go to a garage...but its admin.

 

Quick question how many l/min is your compressor rated

I've done the bomb thing before and its worked form me. I bomb it without sealant in so that it seats, unscrew valve and top up with sealant then pump up with foot pump.

[rouxtjie]

I've done the bomb thing before and its worked form me. I bomb it without sealant in so that it seats, unscrew valve and top up with sealant then pump up with foot pump.

yea works....but its the absolute last option for me because it costs a bomb(or three)

[Shangri la]

I do have a descent compressor, but find with the valve out I use the "normal" trigger activated blower that came with the compressor. Just hold it against the valve housing and it blows the bead onto the rim fine. Then as the man stated quick finger over the valve. Also as mentioned before works MUCH better if the wheel is suspended in the air and not on the ground. I use me bike stand

[eddy]

I cannot believe that Routjie has not covered the most important bit.

 

After you have added the sealant and are popping the tyre properly onto the rim, DO NOT, under any circumstances, do it indoors and NEVER give it one last stroke with your foot pump just for luck.

 

The resulting noise will scare your gun dog and the mess against the curtains and ceiling will ensure you join him in the dog-box for a week.