jcza Posted June 13, 2014 Posted June 13, 2014 Procycling is like sausage, I love it but I don't want to know how its made. Underachiever, Brian Fantana, ryanbritchford and 5 others 8
ryanbritchford Posted June 13, 2014 Posted June 13, 2014 How many more have to be caught before everyone sees that they all use banned substances. Just some are smarter than others, Lance told us this. Are we not being naive to believe that some men can naturally achieve what others are doing heavy doping to achieve? I think so. That's my little input. Just watch the race and enjoy it, gonna be many more people busted in the future. Mike Bike 1
GLuvsMtb Posted June 13, 2014 Posted June 13, 2014 Would a compromise of limiting all elite teams to an A and B work for you?Only if accepting assistance is limited to getting help from a B -team member. Otherwise Bulls 3 may well enter as Not_the_Bulls, not be part of the official team setup and still end up influencing the race. If a B-team member is found to be positive, the A team should be DQ'd too, whether assistance was received or not. Tumbleweed and TALUS 2
Gerry Hattrick Posted June 13, 2014 Posted June 13, 2014 Good point...yea torpado gave topeak a wheel...if it wasn't for that wheel it would have been bye bye GC for sure if I remember correctly....It was Centurion Vaude who helped Topeak - on two stages Danger Dassie, GLuvsMtb and Meezo 3
rouxtjie Posted June 13, 2014 Posted June 13, 2014 It was Centurion Vaude who helped Topeak - on two stagesMy bad
Brian Fantana Posted June 13, 2014 Posted June 13, 2014 It was Centurion Vaude who helped Topeak - on two stages +1.Â
Tumbleweed Posted June 13, 2014 Posted June 13, 2014  Only if accepting assistance is limited to getting help from a B -team member. Otherwise Bulls 3 may well enter as Not_the_Bulls, not be part of the official team setup and still end up influencing the race. If a B-team member is found to be positive, the A team should be DQ'd too, whether assistance was received or not. I can live with that. GLuvsMtb 1
Danger Dassie Posted June 13, 2014 Posted June 13, 2014 Only if accepting assistance is limited to getting help from a B -team member. Otherwise Bulls 3 may well enter as Not_the_Bulls, not be part of the official team setup and still end up influencing the race. If a B-team member is found to be positive, the A team should be DQ'd too, whether assistance was received or not.  Based on what? The assumption the A team doped or received some kind of assistance due to the doping positive in the B team?That's very open ended.
GLuvsMtb Posted June 13, 2014 Posted June 13, 2014 Â Â Based on what? The assumption the A team doped or received some kind of assistance due to the doping positive in the B team?That's very open ended.Based on someone with a positive test that influenced the results. If the B team dope up to keep up with the A team incase they need assistance or to attack other contenders both A and B teams should be DQ'd and banned for life. If you are worried, ride without a B team. Simple.
Weight Weenie Posted June 13, 2014 Posted June 13, 2014 Hou vas, didn't Paulissen also dope at some stage? Or was it his previous epic partner?
GLuvsMtb Posted June 13, 2014 Posted June 13, 2014 Ban was only imposed for positive tests post 2012 I think?
The Bike Vendor Posted June 14, 2014 Posted June 14, 2014 "The former road professional was tested out..." why am I not surprised. En wat beteken dit nogals?
BeegMig Posted June 14, 2014 Posted June 14, 2014 Chilliboi Rapapela!Wonder if they will let that one slide,,, Again? GLuvsMtb 1
Danger Dassie Posted June 14, 2014 Posted June 14, 2014 Based on someone with a positive test that influenced the results. If the B team dope up to keep up with the A team incase they need assistance or to attack other contenders both A and B teams should be DQ'd and banned for life. If you are worried, ride without a B team. Simple. So it's based on assumption that B doped to keep up with team A? What if team A gets bust for doping, but not B?
GLuvsMtb Posted June 14, 2014 Posted June 14, 2014 Â So it's based on assumption that B doped to keep up with team A? What if team A gets bust for doping, but not B?Same punishment. Who determines which is the A ream and which is the B team? If an A team has a terrible prologue they may indadvertedly become the B team if the B team has a real podium chance. The principle of linking teams upfront cannot go with a pre determined pecking order as the dynamics may change over 8 days of racing. Much like a TDF team can elect a new team leader if they loose a prominent rider due to illness or injury.
Matchstix Posted June 20, 2014 Posted June 20, 2014 Oh the horror, I bet he is crying himself to sleep at night because he will not be allowed to race the epic again
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