Tubehunter Posted October 9, 2014 Posted October 9, 2014 Snail, all the links and references you are citing are for well seasoned and properly trained athletes and concerns about their metabolic performance whilst training. If you read the first post again, you will see the OP has a concern about completing 20kms. Typically the family meander distance at most race events. These are not the same scenario...
rouxtjie Posted October 9, 2014 Posted October 9, 2014 Snail, all the links and references you are citing are for well seasoned and properly trained athletes and concerns about their metabolic performance whilst training. If you read the first post again, you will see the OP has a concern about completing 20kms. Typically the family meander distance at most race events. These are not the same scenario...Yahtzeeee! We not talking alberto contador here, he is a weekend warrior like the rest of us. But carry on snail...
Snails Posted October 9, 2014 Posted October 9, 2014 Snail, all the links and references you are citing are for well seasoned and properly trained athletes and concerns about their metabolic performance whilst training. If you read the first post again, you will see the OP has a concern about completing 20kms. Typically the family meander distance at most race events. These are not the same scenario... Hi Tubehunter, it appears to me based on the information the OP has provided that he doesn't have a problem completing more than 20km of cycling, but rather begins to lose power after this point and is looking for suggestions to improve his performance. I think the above studies are still incredibly relevant and useful for novice cyclists, as their bodies work in much the same way in this respect as well-trained cyclists. The Jeukendrup et al. (1997) source that I referenced above states explicitly, in fact, that novice cyclists would be expected to experience a greater improvement in performance than well-trained cyclists when ingesting carbohydrates.
rouxtjie Posted October 9, 2014 Posted October 9, 2014 Hi Tubehunter, it appears to me based on the information the OP has provided that he doesn't have a problem completing more than 20km of cycling, but rather begins to lose power after this point and is looking for suggestions to improve his performance. I think the above studies are still incredibly relevant and useful for novice cyclists, as their bodies work in much the same way in this respect as well-trained cyclists. The Jeukendrup et al. (1997) source that I referenced above states explicitly, in fact, that novice cyclists would be expected to experience a greater improvement in performance than well-trained cyclists when ingesting carbohydrates.edit nevermind, I am out
Snails Posted October 9, 2014 Posted October 9, 2014 By how much...that is quite a claim. Without numbers its a story, with numbers it becomes a fact. According to the study, an improvement of 3% was observed during the first hour of exercise, compared to 2.3% for well-trained cyclists. One would expect that for longer durations the improvements would also be similar.
IdeJongh Posted October 9, 2014 Posted October 9, 2014 edit nevermind, I am out You reach a point hey.. Snail - all the objections are based on guys training a specific established way. I do my interval training on a wattbike and anything less than 1h15-1h20 I don't use anything else but water, and that is at many max effort intervals. If OP starts losing power in that same time period it is very likely that he is either very unfit and needs to up his base or he is going BTTW in which case you should start losing power. When training for a longer term performance gain, unnecessary sugars on the bike that could be avoided should be avoided (enter rouxtjie's argument about p/w - which I will argue with you about that 8% gradient as well, but one thing at a time). But if you want to believe your view you are welcome, but general consensus...seems to disagree.
SwissVan Posted October 9, 2014 Posted October 9, 2014 Do you guys think OP is a troll? He has not replied ones? I think he might be doing a study on human behaviour during work hours
Brickleberry Posted October 9, 2014 Posted October 9, 2014 I think snail made pretty decent points and backed them up. Just saying. Maybe not energade though.
King_Crispy Posted October 9, 2014 Posted October 9, 2014 All I see is a big snail trail and no op.Sven, the stuff I gave you couldn't have worn out already?
Brickleberry Posted October 9, 2014 Posted October 9, 2014 And you sir shall be our vice president.Just fueling the fire. Tomorrow if Friday after all. I'm watching this closely.
Acerunner Posted October 9, 2014 Posted October 9, 2014 Are you having a laugh? Energade? We know nothing about this chap apart from the fact that he gets tired after 20kms. And you are telling him to drink energade? If you were my coach I would demand my rondelas back. You are very funny though.HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH!!!!!The energade thing was so funny!!!! lol!!!
Acerunner Posted October 9, 2014 Posted October 9, 2014 But that energade.... Stil lauging! Snail ma man, u just got served son! Dont pay to much attention to some of these assholes ... But I can tell you one thing, cycling is an honest sport, (in terms of) what u put in, is what u gonna get out.. So get out there and start working hard!
rouxtjie Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 A vodka energade?PRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP...the best you can get
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