NicoBoshoff Posted November 7, 2014 Posted November 7, 2014 Did you mean to post in the SADF 1980s thread? If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face. Forever. - G Orwell '1984' Nary a trueer word spoken
Louis for real Posted November 9, 2014 Posted November 9, 2014 I have not read the entire thread and i apologise for my RANT, but what a shock i get today when i enquire about renewing my annual permit at harkerville.... no annual permits issued until 31Dec 2014. Last year i paid R175 for annual. the guy at garden of eden nonchalantly tells me the new permits are R530? a 300% increase in a year? I get the charge if they were building new features and expanding the route...but its the same old route WTF? the red route is my only escape as i dont grind gravel.. Anyone in Plett interseted in building trails or even a pump track?
kandui Posted November 9, 2014 Posted November 9, 2014 Summer on the Garden Route is going to be interesting. Glad I'm not going up this year. I'd find it hard to pay above inflation increases for zero extra offering.
(Deon) Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 I have not read the entire thread and i apologise for my RANT, but what a shock i get today when i enquire about renewing my annual permit at harkerville.... no annual permits issued until 31Dec 2014. Last year i paid R175 for annual. the guy at garden of eden nonchalantly tells me the new permits are R530? a 300% increase in a year? I get the charge if they were building new features and expanding the route...but its the same old route WTF? the red route is my only escape as i dont grind gravel.. Anyone in Plett interseted in building trails or even a pump track? Found this info online, seems current. Cyclists have three options available, and our local regular cyclists are getting the most benefits of all: Annual permits at R 550/annum i.e. R 1.50 per day. Seasonal permits for the two long school holidays in Dec (1 Dec to 31 Jan) or June/July (1 June till 31 July) at R 150 for 2 months i.e. R2.50/day. A daily rate of R 38/day as from 1 November that includes entry into the park as well as the opportunity to engage in a mountain bike activity inside a national park. These tariffs were decided and agreed upon during an internal tariff structuring session in GRNP and was also based on the fact that when the cycle permits were initiated the first tariff was actually R 600 per annual permit, but to introduce the concept it was decided to lower it to R190 per annum for an interim period. The cycle tariffs will only increase as from 1 January 2015 as the annual cycle permit is valid from 1 January until 31 December, each year. The purpose of the annual cycling permits is to give our local regular cyclists the benefit of access to the park without paying the normal R38 per day tariff. The seasonal tariffs are designed to cater for our holiday visitors who are also eager mountain bikers but who will also find it difficult to pay R 38 per day, per person if they want to cycle several times during their holiday in the park. Cyclists also get access to several mountain bike routes that they can choose from and are not limited to only one route.
DJR Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 Found this info online, seems current. ..........................These tariffs were decided and agreed upon during an internal tariff structuring session in GRNP and was also based on the fact that when the cycle permits were initiated the first tariff was actually R 600 per annual permit, but to introduce the concept it was decided to lower it to R190 per annum for an interim period.............................This highlighted part I think is called SPIN!
marko35s Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 Found this info online, seems current. Cyclists have three options available, and our local regular cyclists are getting the most benefits of all: Annual permits at R 550/annum i.e. R 1.50 per day. Seasonal permits for the two long school holidays in Dec (1 Dec to 31 Jan) or June/July (1 June till 31 July) at R 150 for 2 months i.e. R2.50/day. A daily rate of R 38/day as from 1 November that includes entry into the park as well as the opportunity to engage in a mountain bike activity inside a national park. These tariffs were decided and agreed upon during an internal tariff structuring session in GRNP and was also based on the fact that when the cycle permits were initiated the first tariff was actually R 600 per annual permit, but to introduce the concept it was decided to lower it to R190 per annum for an interim period. The cycle tariffs will only increase as from 1 January 2015 as the annual cycle permit is valid from 1 January until 31 December, each year. The purpose of the annual cycling permits is to give our local regular cyclists the benefit of access to the park without paying the normal R38 per day tariff. The seasonal tariffs are designed to cater for our holiday visitors who are also eager mountain bikers but who will also find it difficult to pay R 38 per day, per person if they want to cycle several times during their holiday in the park. Cyclists also get access to several mountain bike routes that they can choose from and are not limited to only one route.None of the numbers there, nor the dates, seem to tally with the information being given out for Tokai.
Flowta Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 Adding to Tokai's issues I've heard that they have started harvesting Fairy Garden (or at least part of it). Anyone from TokaiMTB know anything about it? No warning? Pic from my mates Strava record
marko35s Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 Adding to Tokai's issues I've heard that they have started harvesting Fairy Garden (or at least part of it). Anyone from TokaiMTB know anything about it? No warning? Pic from my mates Strava record 10747899_666348780142850_1638901735_n.jpgThey were there on Thursday - as you ride down pretty close to the start but just off to the right, nothing on the trail had been chopped at that point but it looks a matter of time. Wasn't this due a few months back? For some reason I seem to remember it being mentioned.
Flowta Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 They were there on Thursday - as you ride down pretty close to the start but just off to the right, nothing on the trail had been chopped at that point but it looks a matter of time.Wasn't this due a few months back? For some reason I seem to remember it being mentioned. That may be so. But lack of information is p$#ing me off!!! SANP have no clue as to what is planned on the land they are supposed to manage. Never mind the much talked about "burn".
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 They were there on Thursday - as you ride down pretty close to the start but just off to the right, nothing on the trail had been chopped at that point but it looks a matter of time.Wasn't this due a few months back? For some reason I seem to remember it being mentioned.Yeah, it was mentioned quite a while back on this forum and I think Facebook and one other email group. No date, but the "faerie garden is next on the list" was certainly said and spread.
Flowta Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 Yeah, it was mentioned quite a while back on this forum and I think Facebook and one other email group. No date, but the "faerie garden is next on the list" was certainly said and spread. This is the F'ing problem EDIT: Not even a 2 week warning. SANP knows exactly when guys are coming.
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 That may be so. But lack of information is p$#ing me off!!! SANP have no clue as to what is planned on the land they are supposed to manage. Never mind the much talked about "burn".Dave, what did that logging schedule say about Faerie garden area? From what I remember (and that's entirely dependent on how much coffee I've had on that day) they (Cape Pine) weren't keeping to their cutting schedule, and instead of leaving by 2022(?) as in their initial schedule, they were wanting to exit by 2017. Remember when they started logging the snakes - NO warning to Parks or any other stakeholders (Sandra was sideswiped by that development - first she knew of it was the truck rumbling past the office) They just went in and started the festivities.
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 This is the F'ing problem EDIT: Not even a 2 week warning. SANP knows exactly when guys are coming.Agreed, but... Possible that they don't... If they (CP) are not keeping to the cutting schedule...
Flowta Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 Possible that they don't... If they're not keeping to the cutting schedule... Last communication that was had with Cape Pine (not me but a friend), their response was 2024. No idea where 2017 came from. Regardless, they would/should have been informed before the fact even if the schedule has changed. It's just NOT good enough.
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 Last communication that was had with Cape Pine (not me but a friend), their response was 2024. No idea where 2017 came from. Regardless, they would/should have been informed before the fact even if the schedule has changed. It's just NOT good enough.2017 came from a conversation that Deon had with the on site manager about a year and a half ago, when they were logging Snakes. It's also a date that he (and I) put out here and on Hogs when he learnt of it. But yes - they (CP) SHOULD be notifying Parks of any time they're going to be logging, but they may not be. I know they didn't last time around...
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