Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 R460 Garden Route is different for some treason..Maybe you've answered your own question...
Hairy Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 Surely the loggers must have a short term program ... at least. I am sure they don't just rock up on site and say hey, let's log some trees here today, and then throw some old bones, broken spokes and a couple of pine cones to do a reading of which section it will be.
Slapsock Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 VERY true!!!Tygerberg us a bargain compared to Tokai now
marko35s Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 R460 Garden Route is different for some treason..The guy on the gate/hut yesterday was blathering on about it being R600 now. More confusion...
Flowta Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 Dave, I said it two years ago. If you rely on that map you are fooling yourself and those around you. Let it go, the pines are being extracted, all of them. It still seems it is on an earlier exit than 2025.. That really isn't the point now is it? Of course the pines are going to go, it's just how it's done and what's done afterwards that counts. To date NOTHING!!! SANP should know what is happening under their control, same as I said 2 years ago. I find it VERY hard to believe somebody from Cape Pine hasn't said to someone SANP,"Hey, we're coming next month/week/...." No notice to the users of the forest that are affected, be it through official channels, TokaiMTB, a note on the board, etc...
(Deon) Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 Surely the loggers must have a short term program ... at least. I am sure they don't just rock up on site and say hey, let's log some trees here today, and then throw some old bones, broken spokes and a couple of pine cones to do a reading of which section it will be.They have a lot of machines in Tokai right now. They've logged two big compartments on the south and until three weeks ago, all logging was limited to those sections. Logging in the Western Cape is not profitable, least of all in the South peninsula 100km away from the nearest plantation. Machines, labour and commute time all add up. Add to this the inflexibility of not being able to move teams around easily and without massive delay.
(Deon) Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 The guy on the gate/hut yesterday was blathering on about it being R600 now.More confusion...Date: 03 November 2014 at 11:46:46 AM SASTTo: "deon@tokaimtb.co.za" <deon@tokaimtb.co.za>Good morning Deon Thank you for your correspondence and I hope that you are well. Please see media release below on the end 2014/2015 tariff rates. ANNUAL RATE INCREASE - TABLE MOUNTAIN NATIONAL PARK Table Mountain National Park (TMNP) announces the annual tariff increases which are required to keep up with the increased cost of managing the national park. The annual rate increase took effect over the past weekend as of Saturday, 1 November 2014. TMNP Park Manager, Paddy Gordon explains that rate increases are comprehensively considered and take into account all stakeholders before an official announcement is made: “Affordability of the favoured local destinations is critical and in this rate increase many of the picnic and braai sites sees no price increase this year.” The TMNP is obliged to manage the competing needs of all users and are engaged in a variety of projects to ensure that the park experience is retained and infrastructure remains available to all users. The increase will be affected in the following manner: Activity Permit New PriceLevel 1: (Dog walking) R225.00Level 1: (Multi-Dog Walking) R85.00Level 2: (Sport climbing and Hang and Para Gliding) R350.00 Level 3: (Horse riding, Mountain biking, Line fishing and transport) R460.00 My Green CardThe rate increases will also affect the My Green Card which will be priced at R110.00 The TMNP My Green Card was introduced specifically for Cape Town residents. It offers 12 free entries (non-recreational or commercial) into any of the TMNP’s pay points: Cape of Good Hope (Cape Point); Boulders Penguin Colony, Oudekraal and Silvermine, as well as to the Tokai, Newlands and Perdekloof picnic areas. It is available to residents of Cape Town over the age of 18 years. Cape of GoodhopeDaily Conservation Fee for COGH Adults R110.00Daily Conservation Fee to COGH for children R55.00 COGH day cycling permit: R120.00SilvermineDay Mountain Biking permit R60.00 Day Horse Riding Permit R60.00Daily Conservation fee for adults R40.00Daily Conservation fee for children R20.00 TokaiDay Horse Riding Permit R60.00Day Mountain Biking Permit R60.00Daily Conservation fee for the picnic area for adults R20.00Daily Conservation fee to the picnic area for children R10.00Daily Conservation for the picnic area per vehicle R20.00 BouldersDaily Conservation fee per adult R60.00Daily Conservation fee per child R30.00 For further information on activity permits and My Green Cards and a list of sales outlets call the TMNP Sales Office on: 021 712 7471 or visit the officialSANParks website. TMNP is committed to improve the users’ experience and will continue to invest in infrastructure upgrades and maintenance programmes in order to retain its status as a destination of choice. Kind Regards,Tarcia HendricksPublic Relations Officer: Cape Region*South African National ParksTel: 021 712 2337Email: tarcia.hendricks@sanparks.org*Agulhas, Bontebok, Table Mountain, Tankwa & West Coast National Parks
Headshot Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 Change is always a bit scary and I was shocked to see the top of Fairy on Saturday. I would feel far more optimistic if I could believe that there was a plan and that TMNP were actually going to "pay out some money" ( Sorry Mr Malema) and help put in some decent trails, but they don't seem to be able to even get a burn done....
Flowta Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 Surely the loggers must have a short term program ... at least. I am sure they don't just rock up on site and say hey, let's log some trees here today, and then throw some old bones, broken spokes and a couple of pine cones to do a reading of which section it will be. This is the point I am trying to make
Flowta Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 They have a lot of machines in Tokai right now. They've logged two big compartments on the south and until three weeks ago, all logging was limited to those sections. Logging in the Western Cape is not profitable, least of all in the South peninsula 100km away from the nearest plantation. Machines, labour and commute time all add up. Add to this the inflexibility of not being able to move teams around easily and without massive delay. Hence the need for a PLAN/SCHEDULE call it what you will.
marko35s Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 Date: 03 November 2014 at 11:46:46 AM SASTTo: "deon@tokaimtb.co.za" Good morning Deon Thank you for your correspondence and I hope that you are well. Please see media release below on the end 2014/2015 tariff rates. ANNUAL RATE INCREASE - TABLE MOUNTAIN NATIONAL PARKTable Mountain National Park (TMNP) announces the annual tariff increases which are required to keep up with the increased cost of managing the national park. The annual rate increase took effect over the past weekend as of Saturday, 1 November 2014. TMNP Park Manager, Paddy Gordon explains that rate increases are comprehensively considered and take into account all stakeholders before an official announcement is made: “Affordability of the favoured local destinations is critical and in this rate increase many of the picnic and braai sites sees no price increase this year.” The TMNP is obliged to manage the competing needs of all users and are engaged in a variety of projects to ensure that the park experience is retained and infrastructure remains available to all users. The increase will be affected in the following manner: Activity Permit New PriceLevel 1: (Dog walking) R225.00Level 1: (Multi-Dog Walking) R85.00Level 2: (Sport climbing and Hang and Para Gliding) R350.00 Level 3: (Horse riding, Mountain biking, Line fishing and transport) R460.00 My Green CardThe rate increases will also affect the My Green Card which will be priced at R110.00 The TMNP My Green Card was introduced specifically for Cape Town residents. It offers 12 free entries (non-recreational or commercial) into any of the TMNP’s pay points: Cape of Good Hope (Cape Point); Boulders Penguin Colony, Oudekraal and Silvermine, as well as to the Tokai, Newlands and Perdekloof picnic areas. It is available to residents of Cape Town over the age of 18 years. Cape of GoodhopeDaily Conservation Fee for COGH Adults R110.00Daily Conservation Fee to COGH for children R55.00 COGH day cycling permit: R120.00SilvermineDay Mountain Biking permit R60.00 Day Horse Riding Permit R60.00Daily Conservation fee for adults R40.00Daily Conservation fee for children R20.00 TokaiDay Horse Riding Permit R60.00Day Mountain Biking Permit R60.00Daily Conservation fee for the picnic area for adults R20.00Daily Conservation fee to the picnic area for children R10.00Daily Conservation for the picnic area per vehicle R20.00 BouldersDaily Conservation fee per adult R60.00Daily Conservation fee per child R30.00 For further information on activity permits and My Green Cards and a list of sales outlets call the TMNP Sales Office on: 021 712 7471 or visit the officialSANParks website. TMNP is committed to improve the users’ experience and will continue to invest in infrastructure upgrades and maintenance programmes in order to retain its status as a destination of choice. Kind Regards,Tarcia HendricksPublic Relations Officer: Cape Region*South African National ParksTel: 021 712 2337Email: tarcia.hendricks@sanparks.org*Agulhas, Bontebok, Table Mountain, Tankwa & West Coast National ParksThat is a little less eye wateringly painful.Did you get any feedback on kids under 12 paying?
Hairy Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 They have a lot of machines in Tokai right now. They've logged two big compartments on the south and until three weeks ago, all logging was limited to those sections. Logging in the Western Cape is not profitable, least of all in the South peninsula 100km away from the nearest plantation. Machines, labour and commute time all add up. Add to this the inflexibility of not being able to move teams around easily and without massive delay. But they must have an internal schedule at least they are working with ..... those trucks don't just arrive at a drop of a hat. There is some rather decent logistics they are dealing with, so should be planning their work .... if they are not, then they will never be profitable no matter where the site is!
(Deon) Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 That is a little less eye wateringly painful.Did you get any feedback on kids under 12 paying?You are sharp! See, nothing in the official release.. so the question bids, "do we bring it up for clarity?" Sadly I did and this was the response... "Hi Deon The prices below have taken effect as of Saturday, 1 November and a media release notifying members of the public was subsequently sent out this morning to local and national media including community newspapers, websites and radio. Tariff increases take place annually and a general increase SANParks press release was sent out prior to last week indicating that there will be an increase. The media release has also been published on the SANParks website. We do however note the inconvenience caused over the past weekend and apologise for this. Please also be advised that Level 3 permits are charged for anyone using a mountain bike. It is about the impact and not the person’s age. Kind Regards,Tarcia HendricksPublic Relations Officer: Cape Region*South African National ParksTel: 021 712 2337Email: tarcia.hendricks@sanparks.org*Agulhas, Bontebok, Table Mountain, Tankwa & West Coast National Parks There is a lot not considered in this decision and it will form a point of discussion when the TMMTB forum next meets.
marko35s Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 You are sharp! See, nothing in the official release.. so the question bids, "do we bring it up for clarity?" Sadly I did and this was the response... "Hi Deon[/size] The prices below have taken effect as of Saturday, 1 November and a media release notifying members of the public was subsequently sent out this morning to local and national media including community newspapers, websites and radio. Tariff increases take place annually and a general increase SANParks press release was sent out prior to last week indicating that there will be an increase. The media release has also been published on the SANParks website. We do however note the inconvenience caused over the past weekend and apologise for this. Please also be advised that Level 3 permits are charged for anyone using a mountain bike. It is about the impact and not the person’s age. Kind Regards, Tarcia Hendricks Public Relations Officer: Cape Region* South African National Parks Tel: 021 712 2337 Email: tarcia.hendricks@sanparks.org *Agulhas, Bontebok, Table Mountain, Tankwa & West Coast National Parks There is a lot not considered in this decision and it will form a point of discussion when the TMMTB forum next meets.So a four year old mincing around the path at lower Tokai on a bike now has an impact? Riiigghhtt... It is a sick joke.
Guest Omega Man Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 That is a little less eye wateringly painful.Did you get any feedback on kids under 12 paying?Tactical blunder putting in the person's email address in there. Someone might spam her inbox with complaints....... Not that I'd ever suggest such a thing.
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 You are sharp! See, nothing in the official release.. so the question bids, "do we bring it up for clarity?" Sadly I did and this was the response... "Hi Deon The prices below have taken effect as of Saturday, 1 November and a media release notifying members of the public was subsequently sent out this morning to local and national media including community newspapers, websites and radio. Tariff increases take place annually and a general increase SANParks press release was sent out prior to last week indicating that there will be an increase. The media release has also been published on the SANParks website. We do however note the inconvenience caused over the past weekend and apologise for this. Please also be advised that Level 3 permits are charged for anyone using a mountain bike. It is about the impact and not the person’s age. Kind Regards,Tarcia HendricksPublic Relations Officer: Cape Region*South African National ParksTel: 021 712 2337Email: tarcia.hendricks@sanparks.org*Agulhas, Bontebok, Table Mountain, Tankwa & West Coast National Parks There is a lot not considered in this decision and it will form a point of discussion when the TMMTB forum next meets.That's an understatement of note... So by all accounts, my 2 1/2 year old needs an activity card as well. Feckit.
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