GoLefty!! Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 Still, it's more about the geometry than the wheelsize... You sure it's not due to the wider bars and shorter stem....?
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 You sure it's not due to the wider bars and shorter stem....?ITO the bike's ability to handle stuff, yes, all this counts. In terms of ability and handling etc etc and which is faster over a given section it is more about the bike's geometry than the wheelsize. A shorter stem and wider bar would actually help low speed maneuverability, and allow you to lift the front up a bit easier to negotiate obstacles etc. I say again - slapping a 100mm stem on to a bike, or increasing a stem from 100mm to 120mm just to make it fit, is NOT a good idea.
porqui Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 Wannabee your times were faster because you were riding a new bike. One's times are always better when riding a new bike - induced vigour!
popcorn_skollie Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 A good friend of mine has a yeti sb66. A 150mm travel 26er.One of the fastest guys I know.Then he went and got an epic 29er. I was shattered.I spent hours curled up crying in the shower. Then I saw him ride it. He became an absolute villain.He was even faster. Much faster.What's worse is he was breaking all the rules I understood about bikes.He was clearing bigger jumps with more confidence despite less travel.'I dont care about the travel' he said 'This thing is fast! ' Its lekker to see how happy he is on that bike.I don't cry anymore
Hairy Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 Did not want to get drawen into debating the pro's and cons of wheelsizes, being an old and not too technicaly skilled "dirt roadie", and my opinion therefore counts for nothing. BUT (there always is a but) I upgraded from my 26'er to a 29'er over December, thus I had fresh "data" to work with when combining my rides on my favorite trails (fitness level still the same, did not go all gung ho over December) Riding the B-Spot at Bloemendal with my 29'er I improved my fastest time by about 30sec around the track, and I "felt" that I did not work as hard on the 29'er, although my max HR on the lap is about the same. This is for a fairly tight and twisty course. Climbing Dorstberg, my time up there improved by a whopping 1min 30 sec. I can understand the reason for that, as I could immediately feel that I had more traction (same type/make of rear tyre on both bikes) and it definately got OVER the loose rocks easily, where I had to try and dodge these rocks with the 26'er as it tended to stop. I had to wrestle the 26'er up there, but with the 29'er I just roll over them, only avoiding the really big rocks. Stairway to heaven, I'm also faster as I can negotiate the tight switchbacks a lot easier. The 26'er always felt like it wanted to "fall over" in the uphill swithbacks, the 29'er not, as it is more stable. This makes me more fluent, which equates to faster times. I was always of the conviction that "It's not about the bike", but I have changed my views on this. I'm now a 29'er devotee. what was the old bike and what is the variation in spec /weight, etc?
Hairy Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 A good friend of mine has a yeti sb66. A 150mm travel 26er.One of the fastest guys I know.Then he went and got an epic 29er. I was shattered.I spent hours curled up crying in the shower. Then I saw him ride it. He became an absolute villain.He was even faster. Much faster.What's worse is he was breaking all the rules I understood about bikes.He was clearing bigger jumps with more confidence despite less travel.'I dont care about the travel' he said 'This thing is fast! ' Its lekker to see how happy he is on that bike.I don't cry anymoreI got faster going from a 160mm travel monster to a 140mm travel trail bike.
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 I got faster going from a 160mm travel monster to a 140mm travel trail bike.Lighter, more nimble, poppier and so on... Yep. Plus didn't you say it just fits you that much better than the Cannon? EDIT: Same as when I rode Iwan's Mojo SLR. Damn. That thing was FAST. Poppy, energetic, just wanted you to go fast!
Hairy Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 Lighter, more nimble, poppier and so on... Yep. Plus didn't you say it just fits you that much better than the Cannon? EDIT: Same as when I rode Iwan's Mojo SLR. Damn. That thing was FAST. Poppy, energetic, just wanted you to go fast!lighter, nimble, longer TT with steeper Seat angle, decently short stays....................also has a little red accents and we all know red is faster
marko35s Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 my keyboard typing is the fastest .... Moved from PC to Apple have you [emoji1]
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 lighter, nimble, longer TT with steeper Seat angle, decently short stays....................also has a little red accents and we all know red is fasterAll stuff that shouts:http://a.fssta.com/content/dam/fsdigital/fscom/nascar/images/shakeandbake/lAsNv2Vu0DvR8i67elmbHcXw8vU-copy-600x336.jpg
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 Bikes like that go: http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd229/CMACARONII/RickyBobby.jpg
GoLefty!! Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 ITO the bike's ability to handle stuff, yes, all this counts. In terms of ability and handling etc etc and which is faster over a given section it is more about the bike's geometry than the wheelsize. A shorter stem and wider bar would actually help low speed maneuverability, and allow you to lift the front up a bit easier to negotiate obstacles etc. I say again - slapping a 100mm stem on to a bike, or increasing a stem from 100mm to 120mm just to make it fit, is NOT a good idea. stop skewing the debate by adding noise. No one ever advocated adding 120mm stems anywhere. The faster bike is the one with the highest power to weight ratio. Most powerful engine for lowest all up weight.Geometry is there to couple two wheels together via some tubes.The rider who is best able to get the power out of their legs into the tyres is the faster one, irrespective of bike.
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 stop skewing the debate by adding noise. No one ever advocated adding 120mm stems anywhere. The faster bike is the one with the highest power to weight ratio. Most powerful engine for lowest all up weight.Geometry is there to couple two wheels together via some tubes.The rider who is best able to get the power out of their legs into the tyres is the faster one, irrespective of bike.True to a degree, but if you're riding a *** bike then you're going to be slow. A *** bike would be one with *** geometry, bad suspension and so on. Plus if you're on a DH bike and someone else is on an XC bike and you're riding around Koeberg, it's a very bad comparison.
Hairy Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 stop skewing the debate by adding noise. No one ever advocated adding 120mm stems anywhere. The faster bike is the one with the highest power to weight ratio. Most powerful engine for lowest all up weight.Geometry is there to couple two wheels together via some tubes.The rider who is best able to get the power out of their legs into the tyres is the faster one, irrespective of bike.kind of in a scientific lab test but if the riders are the "same", and so too the kit fitted to the bike, but one has a shocking geo vs the other which instills confidence, the surely the better designed bike will be faster over a real world MTB route. but I get what you are saying ...... a new flashy bikes does not instantly make a champion rider.......unless it is a S-Verks .... we all know that that bike makes you instantly flipping cool and fast.
Headshot Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 kind of in a scientific lab test but if the riders are the "same", and so too the kit fitted to the bike, but one has a shocking geo vs the other which instills confidence, the surely the better designed bike will be faster over a real world MTB route. but I get what you are saying ...... a new flashy bikes does not instantly make a champion rider.......unless it is a S-Verks .... we all know that that bike makes you instantly flipping cool and fast.But only if you have the one piece short top combo, sokkies and skoene from spez too hey/
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