Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 My concern is...you may JUST get one mommy...who's hubby perhaps is a lawyer and her little johnny fell and broke his/her whasissname...now all up in arms and willing to take the fight to court and try and claim some liability? in spite of all the required signs being there and track being maintained...it could still happen... The best one I've heard from the the track...apparently there was a flasher lurking around (nope It wasn't me!!) and got caught by a group of lady riders (who took a picture of him )....big commotion and security called and arrived...statements taken etc. etc.... whilst this is all going down...a "garderner" on his way to work came past and decided to take a gap jump....with disaterous consequences!! fell his chops off!! Bike broken etc. when asked why he did it - he says...he can't read and therefore did not understand the "warning"...So, where do one draw the line?/ what is too much and what is too little in terms of warning (next thing will be... it wasn't displayed in all the offical langueges??)Speak to Meurant... As long as you have the requisite warnings in place, and the obstacles themselves aren't dangerous (read - poles sticking out etc) and are built properly, you're fine. Also - they need to be graded. Having said that - It's a BMX track - there will be large jumps. If there is a way around them, you're also fine. Re liability - get hold of Meurant, collaborate with him. He has all the requisite requirements and ill be able to help you get the proper coverage should someone decide to be a dumbass and institute a legal proceeding.
Mntboy Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 Healing vibes coming your way FanD! Hope you have as successful a recovery as possible with this. I'm plenty sure that with effective rehabilitation you should definitely be able to ride again. For now though it's listening to the Doctor and the physio and doing everything they tell you to do. Good luck and perseverance for the road ahead!
Mntboy Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 snip snip Now, for the admin stuff:I'm a commitee member of the club - we've build this track as a community "give back..." bla bla bla and all the feelgood aspects etc, so, its open to Joe Public...and is well used... along with indemnity / signs etc. We've used the IMBA principles and marked it accordingly... Now despite all of that - that piece of track has seen many, many fractures (mostly shoulders)...and I'm not talking newbies only...I regard your skills as above average...some compitent riders have "run out of skill" a couple of times as well... My question: How do we safeguard this? Do we "dumb" down everything more? Should we remove the jumps & drop-off and berms? and just leave a flat piece of track? I'd really like to get an fair opinion from Hubland... Snip snip Firstly the track is the track and it is not responsible for anything we do on it. Secondly the track is a test of the riders ability to cope with technical elements that form a part of it. Grading it (as you've done using IMBA, [emoji106] for that) allows the rider to know the difficulty of it and to be properly prepared for it. Thirdly it is the riders responsibility to ensure he or she is sufficiently skilled to tackle the track, hence the need for practice. And here's the rub, in order to improve one's skills one has to ride at times beyond your ability - which can and sometimes does lead to injury. Once again the onus is on the rider to figure a way to skill up, whether through a skills course or by walking the track and checking lines or by watching someone more skilled doing a particular section and learning from them how to do it or a combination of the aforementioned. Dumbing down tracks because of injuries would be bad as it removes an opportunity for riders to challenge themselves and improve their bike handling abilities. Also it could lead to the view that the track isn't fun enough and a decline in people visiting. Hope that helps.
Spoke101 Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 Hi Fand Yes, i also came to hear of your "incident"...Hope you heal up completely and soon! I've seen some real miracle recoveries - just ask Clayton, one of our members who was involved in a horrific car crash...and was told he'll never walk again etc.etc. well....you'll be glad to know he did the Argus this year...A true story of grit & determination and beating the odds...so it can be done!! NEVER GIVE UP - believe in yourself and recovery! The mind and body is incredidble... Now, for the admin stuff:I'm a commitee member of the club - we've build this track as a community "give back..." bla bla bla and all the feelgood aspects etc, so, its open to Joe Public...and is well used... along with indemnity / signs etc. We've used the IMBA principles and marked it accordingly... Now despite all of that - that piece of track has seen many, many fractures (mostly shoulders)...and I'm not talking newbies only...I regard your skills as above average...some compitent riders have "run out of skill" a couple of times as well... My question: How do we safeguard this? Do we "dumb" down everything more? Should we remove the jumps & drop-off and berms? and just leave a flat piece of track? I'd really like to get an fair opinion from Hubland...PS: this track is fairly similar to the PWC track up in Gauteng (for the up country Hubbers info...) fire AWAY...PS: GOOGLE or search on FB Southey Vines / Geelsoot community trail if you want to see more... I have had a good look and although I would rate my abilities above average I can't "from the FB pic's" see anything that would need to change. All the jumps look well designed and are tabletops can't find a gap jump? so all in all you have the perfect little place for young rides to improve their skills. Is this the culprit?
Swart Kat Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 FLIPPET OU, daai moes polisieman seer gewees het.......... Strongs with the recovery!!!
mazambaan Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 I sort of know the feeling. One year ago I was 3 broken ribs, punctured lung and broken collarbone (not as erg as Fand I know but bleddy sore) from a moment's lack of concentration (not even running out of talent). Luckily mine has pretty much come right but it was quite a long and painful process. So, hope the pains are tolerable, you heal well and get back on the bike asap.
King_Crispy Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 Sheez guy,s that's one hectic crash. Hope you heal quickly and completely
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 Cassie, there's nothing wrong with that. At all. It's rollable, has varying degrees of difficulty and isn't a gap jump so doesn't need a warning. You're safe.
Hellgate Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 Cripes worst I have seen.My sympathies to you ????
Hellgate Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 Cripes worst I have seen.My sympathies to you ????
Benjamin Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 Haibo Fan. Just read this. Sorry bru, that's nasty. All the best with the getting better. Take it easy
i24 Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 fortunately not although the doc had to move it out of the way for the plates and pins, so i have a permanent case of mild pins n needles in my last 2 fingers Ouch! I have a scar matching your incision. I fell, dislocated my elbow and fractured my "coronoid process" several years ago. (Not cycling related). A smaller damage than yours, but in a tricky place. I have a 2nd parallel scar, as my ulner nerve got trapped in scar tissue as the 1st injury healed and a 2nd surgeon had to move the nerve around to the side of my elbow. Get yourself the best physio you can find, and do all the work and then some. You have a 6 month window during which physio can make a difference. This is the most important investment you can make in your life during this period. Its like training, no pain no gain! I got most of the movement back in my elbow eventually and I have regained full strength in the arm and my fingers. But rotary movement of the joint is a bit of a pain and I have grown to appreciate my electric screw driver. I also learnt to use my computer mouse with my left hand. Then mind that nerve. I still have pins, needles and odd pains on a regular basis. If I touch my forearm I get a "funny bone feeling". It gets worse in cold weather. Also avoid taking pain killers as much as you can handle it. Otherwise you could be living with pain killers, and the side effects, for a long time. Good luck and good strength. When you get back on the bike you may need to tweak your setup, but many miles of good cycling are still ahead of you.
PhilipV Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 FanD, I've heard about your crash via the grapevine. Good luck with the rehab and recovery. All advice that I can give is to follow the rehab to the letter. Luister vir jou fysio. Good luck.
udxcob Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 Heal Well, Welcome to the Titanium Soldier Brigade
Cassie Posted March 30, 2015 Posted March 30, 2015 Speak to Meurant... As long as you have the requisite warnings in place, and the obstacles themselves aren't dangerous (read - poles sticking out etc) and are built properly, you're fine. Also - they need to be graded. Having said that - It's a BMX track - there will be large jumps. If there is a way around them, you're also fine. Re liability - get hold of Meurant, collaborate with him. He has all the requisite requirements and ill be able to help you get the proper coverage should someone decide to be a dumbass and institute a legal proceeding. Meurant has been to the track several times! He even hosted a Spur School league event there last year! (and most likely again, this year) We have even comissioned him to do a proper inspection and write a "safety" report for us. so from that aspect we are all good & covered.Still... does not mean we will not et one sad sod who will try and sue...but I pretty confident that we have covered all the "loopholes". As far as skills are concerned - it's amazing to see just how far the general laaitie has come that rides there...from being totall "green"...the guys now rip that track with my mouth gaping!! And best of all - one of our local lads,, Joshua de Freitas, who basically lives and sleeps on the track...has just taken his second victory in the SA MTB Cup Series (at Voortrekker Monument)....so thsi track is starting to produce local champions!! exactly what we had in mind...to find the next Burry Stander in our midst...
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