SwissVan Posted April 13, 2015 Posted April 13, 2015 I have also had no issues with my stages - but that does not neccesarily mean anything.... it's still in the box... Just struggling to get it fitted on my new bike - but with the help of Wyatt I hope to have another go at it this week. What is causing "the struggle", is it just not as simple as installing a new crank arm?
GoLefty!! Posted April 13, 2015 Posted April 13, 2015 could be a frame clearance issue so maybe a wider bb and more spacers are required
rouxtjie Posted April 13, 2015 Posted April 13, 2015 to comment or not.... Powermeter + motivated, well informed / coached individual = results
V12man Posted April 13, 2015 Posted April 13, 2015 What is causing "the struggle", is it just not as simple as installing a new crank arm?There were 2 issues - undoing the old crank - somebody gorilla tightened the crank bolt or stuck locktight on it... sorted now.. with some effort... and a very long lever and a soldering iron. Then.... The spindles are not the same length - the stages is the shorter one, and the original spez on the longer one - Wyatt reccomended removing a spacer that fits inside the bb - it's about 5mm - so will try that and see... otherwise it will be taken to him to see if he can figure it out.
carbon29er Posted April 13, 2015 Posted April 13, 2015 to comment or not.... Powermeter + motivated, well informed / coached individual = resultsResults = more beer bought for you? Because to be honest, I can't remember who came 2nd in last year's Sani2C. Or 1st for that matter! But an indoor trainer also gives a well informed / coached individual, just a different personality type.
SwissVan Posted April 13, 2015 Posted April 13, 2015 There were 2 issues - undoing the old crank - somebody gorilla tightened the crank bolt or stuck locktight on it... sorted now.. with some effort... and a very long lever and a soldering iron. Then....Stages1.jpg The spindles are not the same length - the stages is the shorter one, and the original spez on the longer one - Wyatt reccomended removing a spacer that fits inside the bb - it's about 5mm - so will try that and see... otherwise it will be taken to him to see if he can figure it out. Ah ja ok that makes sense, looks like 2 different cranks (new version and older version)?How do you order them, do stages not require your current spindle length and crank arm type when you order?
V12man Posted April 13, 2015 Posted April 13, 2015 Ah ja ok that makes sense, looks like 2 different cranks (new version and older version)?How do you order them, do stages not require your current spindle length and crank arm type when you order?Just the bb type and frame - but very little time was spent examining the problem - 1 try at it and revert to original - never get a bike on thursday morning, planning to race it on saturday... so first ride was from the parking lot to the start line..... The stages crank is an X9 crank - the spez one is carbon - the X9 one has a marginally wider q angle - 3 odd mm.
GoLefty!! Posted April 13, 2015 Posted April 13, 2015 I'm thinking that Stages doesn't make a crank arm that's compatible with Spec cranks....
rouxtjie Posted April 13, 2015 Posted April 13, 2015 Results = more beer bought for you? Because to be honest, I can't remember who came 2nd in last year's Sani2C. Or 1st for that matter! But an indoor trainer also gives a well informed / coached individual, just a different personality type.Neither do I carbon, but results doesnt = podium place. See for some it's fun to train and achieve goals, whether that goal is finishing a race, placing in the top 20 of their cat or merely hanging with their partners. It's not for you or anyone to dictate how they should have fun, they will find that out themselves. Ok now that the philosophical part is over... Training with power allows you to have a constant yardstick to measure yourself against....that's all, it's a means to an end. You don't instantly go faster after buying one, and most often people chuck them cause they don't know what to do with that little number on the screen. My advise to any new potential power user is to first go for a three month training block at a cyclops/cadence/wattlab studio to see how to use it. Without the knowledge it's just a number, with the knowledge it's an extremely effective training tool.
rouxtjie Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 Despite massive research evidence to the contrary that training in a controlled, repeatable, environment overcoming resistance gives the best results, we have authoritative statements that "if you're serious about improving then a power meter is certainly the way to go". What research do you base this opinion on? Google Joseph Friel and his books, it will set you free The big question IMHO is: Do you want to be a rider like Froome, a powerful engine but ungainly, staring at a power meter screen all day or Minnaar, smooth and fluid but relatively low power, bombing down the hill looking at nothing other than where he is going. Very Fast...And what does this have to do with training with power? I honestly don't see how it relates to people wanting to make the most of the time they have ito training. PS go do a bit of homework around Mr Min's world champ victory at maritzbara, and his tyre choice Cycling is such a funny sport. I can't think of any other, except maybe sailing, where amateurs take life so seriously and waste so much money on such meaningless things. And then preach on these things....Here is a couple 1.Golf(go to the pro shop check for yourself) 2.Flyfishing.. 3.Motocross / quad biking. Cycling is VERY far from being unique. It might be meaningless to you, to them it means alot I used to think that buying this or that part as it weighed x grams less would be the icing on the cake but now we've moved right past that.What happened to just having fun riding your bike? No one really cares how well or badly you did in the Epic, they care you finished. No one really cares about your watts/kg or FTP or TSS or how big your dick is, it's personal boring info. Your coach only cares enough to take your money. And a few hours reading will give you 95% of what your coach will. Everyone has fun in their own way, if their way is different to yours, it doesn't mean they are doing it wrong. You need to care less about how people enjoy their hobbies Human beings will only advise you on personal experience and prejudice, if they own product x that is the one they will recommend to you so if Joe has an power meter and Jerry has an indoor trainer you don't have to be Einstein to imagine which they will recommend. And we need reinforcement that ours is the correct choice so want others to join us in our choices, good or bad. Whahaha and because you don't have one, obviously its not worth it, see that knife cuts both ways mmmm....
carbon29er Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 Actually Rouxtjie, I have both....that's why I can post from a position of knowledge.... It still doesn't change human nature where we try encourage others to follow our lead. Or mistakes so that they don't seem like mistakes.
arendoog Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 I have the GPS ,polar, IDT with power meter {kickr} and all the rest of the Gimmicks .I have tried to train scientifically .My best results were before all these disturbances when I put bum on saddle and put in the hard time riding hours per week and listening to my body .Resting when I feel like it and training hard when I feel like it ,but doing an amount of hours that I planned for .All this info is actually messing up my training and giving a false sense of effort IMHO. Karl Platt made a comment at this years epic that he has gone back to time in saddle training instead of to much science and he felt much better prepared
Barend de Arend Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 If you want to go faster, pedal. If you want to go a lot faster, pedal very hard, rest very hard. If you want to know if you got faster, or by how much, use a power meter. A power meter is a measuring device, like a ruler. It's objective. It doesn't lie[1]. A coach + power meter will tell you if you're overtraining, undertraining, training the wrong way, etc. A coach (no power meter) can tell you the best way to achieve results in a minimum amount of time. A power meter doesn't understand goals. It doesn't understand time constraints or job responsibilities. It only understands wattage. A good coach can use a power meter, but doesn't need one. Both a coach and a power meter will prevent you from lying to yourself, or taking it too easy. They'll also prevent you from going too hard when you should take it easy. But only if you listen to them. A power meter used badly won't help at all, and can hurt you psychologically -- never mind in the wallet. A power meter used right can save you lots of time. Time is money. Only you can know if the time saved is worth the price of a power meter. [1] power meters are slightly more complicated than rulers. An uncalibrated ruler is off by just a little bit; an uncalibrated power meter can be off by quite a lot.
rouxtjie Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 Actually Rouxtjie, I have both....that's why I can post from a position of knowledge.... It still doesn't change human nature where we try encourage others to follow our lead. Or mistakes so that they don't seem like mistakes.that is interesting and can only lead me to think you don't see any value in them because: 1.You are not motivated to do the hard yard(i mentioned earlier that its not like a new shiny set of aero wheels, its doenst make you instantly stronger/faster, but as with most things in life, hard work pays)2.You don't understand the numbers or what the device is measuring or don't understand how to use it with a structured training program. Neither of the two reasons are the device's fault...which one was missing for you? PS I mentioned above that the characteristic you delving into cuts both ways...ie you couldn't make the power meter work for you thus it must be crap and that is the gospel you spread.
rouxtjie Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 If you want to go faster, pedal. If you want to go a lot faster, pedal very hard, rest very hard. If you want to know if you got faster, or by how much, use a power meter. A power meter is a measuring device, like a ruler. It's objective. It doesn't lie[1]. A coach + power meter will tell you if you're overtraining, undertraining, training the wrong way, etc. A coach (no power meter) can tell you the best way to achieve results in a minimum amount of time. A power meter doesn't understand goals. It doesn't understand time constraints or job responsibilities. It only understands wattage. A good coach can use a power meter, but doesn't need one. Both a coach and a power meter will prevent you from lying to yourself, or taking it too easy. They'll also prevent you from going too hard when you should take it easy. But only if you listen to them. A power meter used badly won't help at all, and can hurt you psychologically -- never mind in the wallet. A power meter used right can save you lots of time. Time is money. Only you can know if the time saved is worth the price of a power meter. [1] power meters are slightly more complicated than rulers. An uncalibrated ruler is off by just a little bit; an uncalibrated power meter can be off by quite a lot.like this x 100000000000000000 spot on barend. this is where a powermeter comes into its own
edgarblount Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 I have the GPS ,polar, IDT with power meter {kickr} and all the rest of the Gimmicks .I have tried to train scientifically .My best results were before all these disturbances when I put bum on saddle and put in the hard time riding hours per week and listening to my body .Resting when I feel like it and training hard when I feel like it ,but doing an amount of hours that I planned for .All this info is actually messing up my training and giving a false sense of effort IMHO. Karl Platt made a comment at this years epic that he has gone back to time in saddle training instead of to much science and he felt much better prepared...and Alban Lakata went for a more scientific approach...
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