Another Adverse Analytical Finding

[Erroli8a8]

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[Patchelicious]

What about the names up near or on the top of the leaderboards that doped in the past, but were never tested/caught.

If they were never tested and sanctioned then there is not much that can be done/said about it unfortunately.

[Bateleur1]

Have any of the local dopers turned to coaching.? Cause I don't think I would be comfortable with them coaching my children.

 

Yes, used to be a hubber.  Who remembers Chunky or Chucky?  Made for some interresting hub discussion especially after the Carteblanche episode where he adviced youngsters on .... lets say beating the system.

[Gen]

Yes, used to be a hubber. Who remembers Chunky or Chucky? Made for some interresting hub discussion especially after the Carteblanche episode where he adviced youngsters on .... lets say beating the system.

[emoji33] I must have missed that.. or I can't remember.. but yoh

[Bateleur1]

[emoji33] I must have missed that.. or I can't remember.. but yoh

 

It was some time ago.  It was the cyclist in this video ...

 

 

If memory serves me correctly he was a well known track cyclist and was busted.

[Danger Dassie]

So it's the systems fault that they decided to cheat?

 

Surely they are responsible for their own choices.

 

Ps: Don't confuse my reluctance to forgive and forget with other people's vengeance.

 

Did I say that? Did I allude in any way to that? No, so by the same token don't confuse the statement as saying it's the systems fault. 

Not confusing your reluctance at all, but I was speaking generally. Should have specified that, sometimes context gets lost in a typed out response. 

 

Just saying that without an efficient and open anti-doping programme in place, we can't expect to implement lifetime bans on athletes. And unfortunately we're in a space where that isn't the case.

 

[Patchelicious]

Did I say that? Did I allude in any way to that? No, so by the same token don't confuse the statement as saying it's the systems fault.

Not confusing your reluctance at all, but I was speaking generally. Should have specified that, sometimes context gets lost in a typed out response.

 

Just saying that without an efficient and open anti-doping programme in place, we can't expect to implement lifetime bans on athletes. And unfortunately we're in a space where that isn't the case.

 

My apologies for misreading your post.

 

I hear you.

[Spinnekop]

Just saying that without an efficient and open anti-doping programme in place, we can't expect to implement lifetime bans on athletes. And unfortunately we're in a space where that isn't the case.

 

I want to play devils advocate and say that by implementing a "lifetime ban" policy, it might serve as a deterrent. 

At the very least it will make the "conscious decision" to dope a bit harder because there are now very real consequences to never do your profession again.   

 

But I do get your point though.

 

[jimmycool]

This!

 

I have done it a few times and will continue to do so.

 

Intellectually I'm all for people doing the time for their crime but emotionally (and given the history of our sport) there is no room for Sorry Stevies. Ride your bike all you like outside of competition but if you get done then just get the f*ck out of the sport - your racing days are over.

How about next time you do it, put your gopro on.

The video would make for a nice Friday afternoon thread.

[Skubarra]

I want to play devils advocate and say that by implementing a "lifetime ban" policy, it might serve as a deterrent. 

At the very least it will make the "conscious decision" to dope a bit harder because there are now very real consequences to never do your profession again.   

 

But I do get your point though.

 

I disagree, harsh penalties not much of a deterrent if you back your odds to get away with it.

 

Knowing you will get caught far more effective deterrent

 

To quote from Tyler Hamilton's book

 

The contest between drug testers and athletes is often described as an ‘arms race’: each side is trying to gain the advantage in a battle of technological resources. ‘But,’ Hamilton points out, ‘that wasn’t quite right, because it implied that the testers had a chance of winning. For us, it wasn’t like a race at all. It was more like a big game of hide-and-seek played in a forest that has lots of good places to hide, and lots of rules that favour the hiders.’

 

Don't see life bans even making even a little bit of difference. We'll be congratulating ourselves that we are real tough on dopers while banning the careless and the dumb ones, while the okes that know how to work the system continue to get away with it.

[Icycling]

I want to play devils advocate and say that by implementing a "lifetime ban" policy, it might serve as a deterrent. 

At the very least it will make the "conscious decision" to dope a bit harder because there are now very real consequences to never do your profession again.   

 

But I do get your point though.

Is it a case of one size fits all with doping?

 

So you take EPO and lets say 9 other proper drugs easily detectable, but not easily to get, then Life time ban for sure.

 

But what about those banned substance you can buy (accidentally) possibly even at Pick ’n Pay - should these also be life time bans?

 

I just think the list of ban substances is way to long knowing that only a few have GREAT impact. The test need to test for these substances and not masking agents - the test designers need to do a better job, hopefully possible job.

 

What about artificial stimulating your environment  - like Altitude tents, sitting in sauna at gym, H2O therapy - or training in your bathroom (increased humidity and temp) for world champs (Tony Martin)?

 

[Patchelicious]

I want to play devils advocate and say that by implementing a "lifetime ban" policy, it might serve as a deterrent. 

At the very least it will make the "conscious decision" to dope a bit harder because there are now very real consequences to never do your profession again.   

 

But I do get your point though.

Like Skubs says, getting them caught is probably a more effective cause to back.

 

Lifetime bans will in all likelyhood not happen, think of the complications and appeals etc for banning somebody for life for using contaminated gelatine capsules

 

HOWEVER that does not mean that the public cannot shun them for their lifetime.

 

The reality is that most of the guys do not dope for financial gains, they dope for public adoration. If we remove that, and put the opposite in place for them, it could act as a mini deterrent.

 

So in summary, catch more guys and when they get caught, don’t let them forget about their "criminal record".

 

As an example of how this works in reality:

In my home town of Somerset West, lots of people drink and drive, because getting caught is not likely. So the chance of the negative consequence happening is small.

 

But in JHB, there are lots of road blocks, and I will not drive even after only 1 beer because I cannot afford to have a criminal record. So I just don’t.

 

 

So catch more dopers, and dont give them the public adoration that they crave.

[Bateleur1]

It was some time ago.  It was the cyclist in this video ...

 

 

If memory serves me correctly he was a well known track cyclist and was busted.

 

I stand to be corrected.  The guy in the video is not the same as the cyclist who got busted doping and giving advice to youngsters on Carteblanche.

[Patchelicious]

I stand to be corrected.  The guy in the video is not the same as the cyclist who got busted doping and giving advice to youngsters on Carteblanche.

What dwis though, riding with earphones.....

[Andrew Steer]

I stand to be corrected.  The guy in the video is not the same as the cyclist who got busted doping and giving advice to youngsters on Carteblanche.

 

I agree... he was a rather large unit I recall

[Patchelicious]

I agree... he was a rather large unit I recall

What was his name?