SuperDooperSnooper Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 Dear Hubbers.This is NOT a "red traffic light" debate. I do realise you are all very passionate, but please keep to the topic.I was simply referring to the fact that the French authorities consider cyclists when they change the ways of the roads. They justified it in their demographic environment and it might just work. The French has that uncanny characteristic to do things differently, yet making it work.I see your point and am all for new ways to improve how we do things. At the moment our country's road users don't even care about the basics, so trying something like this may end in more chaos. It's like trying to get someone to bunny hop whilst they don't care to lift the front wheel off the ground.
L'Bie Posted July 10, 2015 Author Posted July 10, 2015 And it is a totally different society, where the majority of drivers are law abiding. Here, it won't work. People don't even know how to treat a traffic circle, for goodness sake. Besides - it IS a red light debate. Your OP proposes the re-writing how the existing law on traffic signals applies to bicycles. You cannot say that it is not a red light debate, and then assert that we should have different rules / signals that apply to us and not the cars. Yes it is a different society and isn't that nice?I did not propose anything. I thought it makes sense
TheTashkentTerror Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 Jesus, so many people seem to be missing the main point here. What the images show is that France (and actually many other forward thinking countries) are proposing that it is OK for cyclists to turn right at a red light. It would be the left for us, as we use the other side of the road. So essentially the red becomes a "yield" to the cyclist if we want to turn left and we merge (while giving priority) to the traffic coming from our right. However going either straight or right (cutting across the traffic) at a red are obviously stupid, illegal and dangerous. Then, at a T-junction, you can go through a red if you are going straight and there is only traffic coming from your right (in SA). So again, we would merge with traffic coming from our right while giving way to them. It's not a difficult thing to understand. These proposals make a lot of sense and would allow cyclist to move along instead of slowing down the main vehicular traffic behind them. It would be very easy to test and implement. It might be more useful to have a sensible discussion about this instead of the generic "this country is going to the dogs/TIA" responses.
Escapee.. Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 Jesus, so many people seem to be missing the main point here. When did Jesus join the Hub?
TheTashkentTerror Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 When did Jesus join the Hub? He is omnipresent
J∆kk∆ls Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 Stop at red. But not at the risk of skidding. The rules are there to keep us alive. But that doesn't mean you should stop thinking. Let's be clear. I always stop at red. I have also jumped Amber and rolled through the end of red to avoid getting knocked down. Some motorist think the bikes accelerate slow and I've had a number close calls of motorist turning in front of me. Good thinking on the French side for putting in R&D.
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 Jesus, so many people seem to be missing the main point here. What the images show is that France (and actually many other forward thinking countries) are proposing that it is OK for cyclists to turn right at a red light. It would be the left for us, as we use the other side of the road. So essentially the red becomes a "yield" to the cyclist if we want to turn left and we merge (while giving priority) to the traffic coming from our right. However going either straight or right (cutting across the traffic) at a red are obviously stupid, illegal and dangerous. Then, at a T-junction, you can go through a red if you are going straight and there is only traffic coming from your right (in SA). So again, we would merge with traffic coming from our right while giving way to them. It's not a difficult thing to understand. These proposals make a lot of sense and would allow cyclist to move along instead of slowing down the main vehicular traffic behind them. It would be very easy to test and implement. It might be more useful to have a sensible discussion about this instead of the generic "this country is going to the dogs/TIA" responses. no, we get all of that. We also get that the majority of our road users are witless lunatics with scant regard for the rules of the road, and that we as cyclists are our own worst enemies. IT SIMPLY WILL NOT WORK. We do not yet have adequate law enforcement to ensure that road users stick to the existing rules of the road. Implementing something else like this when we cannot even self police is not the answer. The reason it is being successfully implemented elsewhere is that in those countries, the motorists & cyclists are, in the large majority, law abiding and responsible. They RESPECT other road users. Here, road users are highly apathetic towards each other.
Edition 507 Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 When did Jesus join the Hub?Does he skip red lights?
cat-i Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 Jesus, so many people seem to be missing the main point here. What the images show is that France (and actually many other forward thinking countries) are proposing that it is OK for cyclists to turn right at a red light. It would be the left for us, as we use the other side of the road. So essentially the red becomes a "yield" to the cyclist if we want to turn left and we merge (while giving priority) to the traffic coming from our right. However going either straight or right (cutting across the traffic) at a red are obviously stupid, illegal and dangerous. Then, at a T-junction, you can go through a red if you are going straight and there is only traffic coming from your right (in SA). So again, we would merge with traffic coming from our right while giving way to them. It's not a difficult thing to understand. These proposals make a lot of sense and would allow cyclist to move along instead of slowing down the main vehicular traffic behind them. It would be very easy to test and implement. It might be more useful to have a sensible discussion about this instead of the generic "this country is going to the dogs/TIA" responses. Nowhere in the article does it say that the cyclists will go over red lights at their own discretion ... Traffic lights for bicycles will be placed under the traffic lights for cars on some junctions.The lights will indicate when bikes can either turn right or ride ahead - even when lights for cars are on red....Where there are no traffic lights for cyclists, they must respect the main lights.
Pure Savage Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 What if in those sketches from the op, you jump onto the pavement before the intersection and join after intersection. Not technically going through a red and also not becoming road kill *sea point main road*
velomonatiCT Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 OH Jesus , who is omnipresent and knows all please end this endless and silly debate once and for all .....should we mortals stop when the lights are red or should we burn through .....? oh yes and are you on stravaaaaa ? happy Friday guys
Patchelicious Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 OH Jesus , who is omnipresent and knows all please end this endless and silly debate once and for all .....should we mortals stop when the lights are red or should we burn through .....? oh yes and are you on stravaaaaa ? happy Friday guys No you won't get an answer to that, but he does say that you can jump a red robot and then just ask for forgiveness afterwards... All good.
velomonatiCT Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 No you won't get an answer to that, but he does say that you can jump a red robot and then just ask for forgiveness afterwards... All good. Thnx Jesus..... discussion closed
Edition 507 Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 No you won't get an answer to that, but he does say that you can jump a red robot and then just ask for forgiveness afterwards... All good.Jesus can probably skip lights with impunity. Even if he gets flattened by a truck morsdood you know that 3 days latter he will be back on his bike again doing the same thing
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