Cyclists with a "Running" Problem

[Stretch]

https://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/2018-07-22-athletics-bosses-hit-back-at-outspoken-comrades-marathon-champion/

 

Pretty sad state of affairs

 

 

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Jeez like... Like a kid throwing their toys out the cot because another kid doesn't want to play

[ScottCM]

So instead of learning from the message that she is trying to give ASA they decide to spend their time and effort into belittling her, WOW, great organisation you are ASA.  

[dave303e]

lets be real, a big positive with trail running is not dealing with this s*** no stupid qualifiers and having to join a 'club' to compete in an individual sport. I will far rather keep paying more expensive trail run entries than have to pay 'licence fees' per event.

 

 

 

Also did you guys see there was a Saffa who completed Hardrock 100.

 

Huge props, that course is absolutely ridiculous. Definitely one for the bucket list. 

[dave303e]

The HARDROCK 100 is a mountain run that passes through some of the most beautiful and rugged mountains in the world.

The course is closed. That means that runners are required to follow the specified route.

Four legs, linking the Lake City, Ouray, Telluride, and Silverton areas. The finish is in Silverton, the same location as the start. The course is 100 miles long, has a cumulative vertical gain of 33,050 feet of climb and 33,050 feet of descent for a total elevation change of 66,100 feet, and takes place at an average elevation of about 11,000 feet. The high point is 14,048 feet.

 

The altitude range of this run (7,700 to 14,000+ feet) takes the runner through several climate zones. At the lower altitude, forests of aspen, pine, and spruce are common. Timberline is locally at about 11,800 feet, though this can vary greatly. Above timberline is alpine tundra and low vegetation interspersed with krummholz (low, stunted spruce, fir, and willow).

[Hacc]

I hope Ann sue their @sses. This is so childish. 

[Paddaman]

https://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/2018-07-22-athletics-bosses-hit-back-at-outspoken-comrades-marathon-champion/

 

Pretty sad state of affairs

 

 

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This is similar to the ASA mindset about how race numbers may be worn over the ASA cloth numbers.  You may not cover or obstruct the advertising banner on the ASA licence in any way, and you must wear your ASA licence on back and front even when alternative race licences are issued by the race organisers.  This means you have to stagger your front numbers on your vest.  This places three layers of paper/cloth over your chest on race day, which kind of defeats wearing light, breathable clothing in the first place.

[Andrew Steer]

This is similar to the ASA mindset about how race numbers may be worn over the ASA cloth numbers.  You may not cover or obstruct the advertising banner on the ASA licence in any way, and you must wear your ASA licence on back and front even when alternative race licences are issued by the race organisers.  This means you have to stagger your front numbers on your vest.  This places three layers of paper/cloth over your chest on race day, which kind of defeats wearing light, breathable clothing in the first place.

 

Just get those clever okes from Anatomic to print your license on your vest... think of the weight saving in pins as well 

 

 

PS: Yes, we still need to get this passed by the powers that be, but how difficult could that be 

[Andrew Steer]

So instead of learning from the message that she is trying to give ASA they decide to spend their time and effort into belittling her, WOW, great organisation you are ASA.  

 

The problem is, the alternative involves them actually working and doing their jobs... and unfortunately, most of the top brass in these bodies don't have much interest in that.

[Andrew Steer]

Finally put on some running shoes on Sat, did a little 10 with the missus... was very lekker to get out, why on earth it took so long I don't know, but I'm officially almost a pretend runner again.

Also played some squash yesterday for the first time in a couple months - holy mother of all things evil am I stiff today 

[Paddaman]

Just get those clever okes from Anatomic to print your license on your vest... think of the weight saving in pins as well 

 

Anatomic Printed License on Race Vest.jpg

 

PS: Yes, we still need to get this passed by the powers that be, but how difficult could that be 

Nice idea, but that would require a new vest every year......

and it will be difficult because there is a degree of individualising for each number,

also clubs may be against being tied into a clothing agreement with anatomic and not another supplier, and

lastly delivery times between the issue of the number by ASA to the club and the order and delivery by anatomic.  (ASA has routinely issue the number at least a month late for the last few years).

[Andrew Steer]

Nice idea, but that would require a new vest every year......

and it will be difficult because there is a degree of individualising for each number,

also clubs may be against being tied into a clothing agreement with anatomic and not another supplier, and

lastly delivery times between the issue of the number by ASA to the club and the order and delivery by anatomic.  (ASA has routinely issue the number at least a month late for the last few years).

With pinning on race numbers I pretty much need a new vest every year... this would of course negate some of that damage from 4 pins into the fabric every Sunday.

 

This offer would obviously be aimed at people we already supply or potentially will be supplying, what other suppliers and clubs offer is up to them. 

 

The early season logistics though would definitely be a challenge - we normally only get our licenses end of Jan, but you never know unless you try. Our factory scheduling is pretty rock solid and if things are in place early you never now. A persons license number doesn't change from year to year either, so if we can get the template earlier, it might open up the time frame. A cost would be involved of course, but most of us pay someone R30 anyway to get the number sewn on neatly. 

 

Just a nice idea I thought, I know I'll be trying it out next year

[Paddaman]

With pinning on race numbers I pretty much need a new vest every year... this would of course negate some of that damage from 4 pins into the fabric every Sunday.

 

This offer would obviously be aimed at people we already supply or potentially will be supplying, what other suppliers and clubs offer is up to them. 

 

The early season logistics though would definitely be a challenge - we normally only get our licenses end of Jan, but you never know unless you try. Our factory scheduling is pretty rock solid and if things are in place early you never now. A persons license number doesn't change from year to year either, so if we can get the template earlier, it might open up the time frame. A cost would be involved of course, but most of us pay someone R30 anyway to get the number sewn on neatly. 

 

Just a nice idea I thought, I know I'll be trying it out next year

I like the idea.  If the clubs run the thing, with an option of say a bi-annual or even a five year licencing option to reduce the need to replace the vest annually, it could work.  However, with ASA milking the sponsorship banner for funding, the idea of bi-annual or five year licence may not fly.

Also control and certification that money has been paid for the said duplication of the licence on the vest may be a concern to ASA, as they will want to protect their income stream.

 

So the kink in the idea will be twofold,

firstly control over the licencing process, so that a set number of vests will be ordered by X club, who will supply a block of licence numbers and shirt sizes and this will be controlled by an ASA/club official, with money being paid over to ASA and ANATOMIC.  This will require a large dose of co-operation from ASA, the club structures and the athletes.

Secondly, having a mechanism to prevent accusations from ANATOMIC's competitors of monopoly behaviour.

[Andrew Steer]

I like the idea.  If the clubs run the thing, with an option of say a bi-annual or even a five year licencing option to reduce the need to replace the vest annually, it could work.  However, with ASA milking the sponsorship banner for funding, the idea of bi-annual or five year licence may not fly.

Also control and certification that money has been paid for the said duplication of the licence on the vest may be a concern to ASA, as they will want to protect their income stream.

 

So the kink in the idea will be twofold,

firstly control over the licencing process, so that a set number of vests will be ordered by X club, who will supply a block of licence numbers and shirt sizes and this will be controlled by an ASA/club official, with money being paid over to ASA and ANATOMIC.  This will require a large dose of co-operation from ASA, the club structures and the athletes.

Secondly, having a mechanism to prevent accusations from ANATOMIC's competitors of monopoly behaviour.

Clubs would have to control it, since they order the licenses from ASA and their members kits from suppliers... it would require a degree of trust from ASA, but just like with them relying on clubs to check their runners qualification times for Comrades etc, their will always be those willing to find a loophole.

I could just as easily print licenses on blocks if we really wanted to dupe the system, but that's definitely not how we work. We could even insist on the real licenses being handed over in exchange for the printed vests. 

It's just an idea at this stage, but innovation is always a good idea - as you pointed out, who wants to stick layers of numbers to their vests every weekend.

 

TBC 

[Paddaman]

Clubs would have to control it, since they order the licenses from ASA and their members kits from suppliers... it would require a degree of trust from ASA, but just like with them relying on clubs to check their runners qualification times for Comrades etc, their will always be those willing to find a loophole.

I could just as easily print licenses on blocks if we really wanted to dupe the system, but that's definitely not how we work. We could even insist on the real licenses being handed over in exchange for the printed vests. 

It's just an idea at this stage, but innovation is always a good idea - as you pointed out, who wants to stick layers of numbers to their vests every weekend.

 

TBC 

I think this is a very innovative idea that can be developed.  I think the solution is to syncronize the lifespan of the vest with the duration of the licence, say 3-5 years.  Also if there is a sign off with the supplier controlling the collection of both retail price and licence fee in one transaction from the club it could work.

 

I think we could put together a number of scenarios for this.  

[Hacc]

Nice idea, but that would require a new vest every year......

and it will be difficult because there is a degree of individualising for each number,

also clubs may be against being tied into a clothing agreement with anatomic and not another supplier, and

lastly delivery times between the issue of the number by ASA to the club and the order and delivery by anatomic. (ASA has routinely issue the number at least a month late for the last few years).

I buy a new vest every year... After a year of running in the same vest it smells funny and no amount of Omo can get it clean

 

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[Jaws677]

Saw this on my Facebook feed. Aussies taking a dig at the poms :-)

 

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