Sugar Free

[V12man]

Apricot, but it gets messy..

It's all in how you wrap it.... apparently....

 

http://feedzonecookbook.com/2013/06/13/how-to-wrap-any-portable-snack/

[Eldron]

The "feeding the soul" thing is an interesting point that often is brought up. in the past more with smokers and now likewise in the sugar discussion. It shows that whatever you do is making you feel that something is missing that you grave and that you give to yourself every now and then.

That graving however has gone away with us. No forcing required and no grumpiness induced...

Drawing parallels between smoking and sugar is crazy. 

I like sweet things - I also love bacon, rare beef, red wine, biltong and dark chocolate - it isn't a craving - it's that awesome feeling when your tongue gets smothered in one of it's favourite tastes.

"Sugar addiction" is a myth in my book.

If you can happily live without sugar then great.

[Raydek]

Drawing parallels between smoking and sugar is crazy. 

I like sweet things - I also love bacon, rare beef, red wine, biltong and dark chocolate - it isn't a craving - it's that awesome feeling when your tongue gets smothered in one of it's favourite tastes.

"Sugar addiction" is a myth in my book.

If you can happily live without sugar then great.

 

Thats what I wanted to say with my previous post... the words eluded me..

[nimthor]

Cut out refined sugar, bread, other refined carbs about 2.5 years ago.  Went down from 95kg to 76kg in 6 months, been at 78kg for the past 2 years now. 

 

Amazing thing is once you get used to not having sweet stuff it is amazing how when you do eat it, it tastes awful.

 

We have 70%+ chocolate from time to time and if I am presented with a plate of food with a potato I will eat it.  Still eats at least 3 fruits a day, I think it is good for you.

 

Still drink wine and whisky and the occasional beer.  Happy with my eating life, don't really have any cravings.

[SCD]

Drawing parallels between smoking and sugar is crazy. 

I like sweet things - I also love bacon, rare beef, red wine, biltong and dark chocolate - it isn't a craving - it's that awesome feeling when your tongue gets smothered in one of it's favourite tastes.

"Sugar addiction" is a myth in my book.

If you can happily live without sugar then great.

 

Hmm, I would challenge that.

 

Both, smoking and refined sugar, are unnatural to our bodies, not required to live, were/are promoted by big industry to be good for you, making the same industries billions of profit, were pushed into society using doubtful methods, costing society billions in health bills, both are triggering reward reactions in our brains, both make you grave when levels are low, and both make you ill over the long term.

 

It is everybodies choice at the end but but the above parallels cannot be discounted.

 

edit: typo

[ricochet_rabbit]

100% seconded.

 

It is in a way refreshing to find some like minded folks out here. In our attempt to bring up our kids sugar free (in practice sugar-reduced) we find ourselves singled out and pretty much fending for ourselves. We haven't found a single parent yet who was prepared to go through the effort to pull this through with their kids. Even friends on a banting diet kick off BD parties for their kiddies with the ultimate sugar bomb cakes, sweets and the lot. It makes you wonder and somewhat sad...

 

There was an experiment done a few years ago by bbc tv to show how sugar is not needed at a kids party. They had two kids parties (one was high on entertainment (savoury snacks), the other high in sugar. They didn't tell the parents that they swapped them around. When interviewing the parents they were all sure that their kids were bouncing off the walls because of the sugar high when actually they were bouncing off the wall because of the entertainment and were actually more "wired" than from the sugar party.

[Patchelicious]

I'm not sure. What I am sure about is that I'd rather eat 40 teaspoons a day of sugar than 40 teaspoons a day of cocaine.

I think that's more an affordability thing than a lifestyle choice

[Patchelicious]

Drawing parallels between smoking and sugar is crazy.

I like sweet things - I also love bacon, rare beef, red wine, biltong and dark chocolate - it isn't a craving - it's that awesome feeling when your tongue gets smothered in one of it's favourite tastes.

"Sugar addiction" is a myth in my book.

If you can happily live without sugar then great.

50 years ago, smoking addiction was a myth too.

 

Sugar addiction and metabolic syndrome are very real issues in our society.

 

It's a fact, whether people believe it or not.

[Mongoose!]

So there is sugar in Coke also?

[Paul Ruinaard]

So its been an interesting journey for me on this as I am pretty overweight now and struggling with it, but losing again using LCHF. I have always been a big guy and overweight.

 

That aside

 

 I must admit I am continually amazed at how all of this first pops up here rather than anywhere else.

 

Sugar:

 

This is like a religious divide. Once you have the epiphany and realise what you are shoving down your throat in the name of healthy food and what its doing to you, you too will be shocked as to how far the plot is wound in to our lives and what you have assumed is "good food" is actually about as close to drugs and cigarettes as you can get.

 

So I was the person who started this but it was my wife who really got in to it. (Banting courses etc)

 

And she was the one insisting that you need to check what is in everything, and that we can make our own.

So we have been doing exactly this (with the help of a THermomix - check them out)

 

And it is a major wake up call.

 

Two areas:

 

1.) What it actually tastes like (Nut butters to curry pastes etc). Or Should taste like when made naturally without sugar

 

and 

 

2.) That Sugar is in everything, i repeat everything you eat.  Watch "That Sugar Film" and you will get a better PoV than mine on this. 

 

Google the Bliss Point and then start doing some digging on food lobbies and what they pay for in the global picture. Then you will start to feel ripped off as well. Just like the cigarette companies were paying billions to suppress the truth, the food companies are as well.

 

Its worth multi billion dollar global markets, and the more addicted the world is the better they do. We need more to fulfil the craving.

So do you think they would like this truth to come out. 

 

Its a great game, but a sick one that is doing a lot of damage.

 

And its only recent that this level of Sugar was in our diet or accessible (like the whole low fat idea - very recent).

 

Once you see what damage you are doing you are pretty sure to have an issue with it.

 

Me - I do....

[Wayne Potgieter]

So its been an interesting journey for me on this as I am pretty overweight now and struggling with it, but losing again using LCHF. I have always been a big guy and overweight.

 

That aside

 

I must admit I am continually amazed at how all of this first pops up here rather than anywhere else.

 

Sugar:

 

This is like a religious divide. Once you have the epiphany and realise what you are shoving down your throat in the name of healthy food and what its doing to you, you too will be shocked as to how far the plot is wound in to our lives and what you have assumed is "good food" is actually about as close to drugs and cigarettes as you can get.

 

So I was the person who started this but it was my wife who really got in to it. (Banting courses etc)

 

And she was the one insisting that you need to check what is in everything, and that we can make our own.

So we have been doing exactly this (with the help of a THermomix - check them out)

 

And it is a major wake up call.

 

Two areas:

 

1.) What it actually tastes like (Nut butters to curry pastes etc). Or Should taste like when made naturally without sugar

 

and

 

2.) That Sugar is in everything, i repeat everything you eat. Watch "That Sugar Film" and you will get a better PoV than mine on this.

 

Google the Bliss Point and then start doing some digging on food lobbies and what they pay for in the global picture. Then you will start to feel ripped off as well. Just like the cigarette companies were paying billions to suppress the truth, the food companies are as well.

 

Its worth multi billion dollar global markets, and the more addicted the world is the better they do. We need more to fulfil the craving.

So do you think they would like this truth to come out.

 

Its a great game, but a sick one that is doing a lot of damage.

 

And its only recent that this level of Sugar was in our diet or accessible (like the whole low fat idea - very recent).

 

Once you see what damage you are doing you are pretty sure to have an issue with it.

 

Me - I do....

the thermomix was the single best investment i have made in my family's long term health.

 

With our emigration taking place, this is the only thing (excluding clothes and 1 bicycle each) that we are taking over. That is no exaggeration.

[Wayne Potgieter]

You know...for a guy with such a low IQ...you are pretty smart....

[doczessop]

Great discussion. Interestingly if you read Harvey's original diet that he prescribed for Banting a century ago, he included a rusk or small bread portion at certain points during the day. Shows that they were not totally extreme.

The advantages of a healthy diet may also include less inflammation in the body and so less likelihood of cancers and infections.

Still doesn't make weekends easier though!

[gogo@]

50 years ago, smoking addiction was a myth too.

 

Sugar addiction and metabolic syndrome are very real issues in our society.

 

It's a fact, whether people believe it or not.

I flirted with smoking but never got hooked. Also don't have a problem with alcohol - but sugar is my problem, no doubt about that. Not that I'd eat sweets as such. However, bag of chocs or a bar and I can't stop. Couldn't go past the till without picking up one or three. Every day. Couldn't go out for coffee without having a brownie. See the problem! So for me it's a very real addiction but I don't for a minute think everyone has exactly that problem.

The problem we DO all have is the total amount of sugar (including high fructose corn syrup which is what's in most things including coke) you can quite easily eat without realizing. Once you know what that does to you, you might just become a food nazi!

I think I'm lucky to have become aware of this now and be able to do something about it. There seems to be an epidemic of people who have become either pre- or diabetic around me lately, including a vegan friend who is thin as a rake. He doesn't like cooking so eats lots of tinned stuff and ice cream.

Erm. Sorry if I sound like I'm at an AA meeting but, seriously, that's what it's like for me :-)

I don't do the whole LCHF thing but I do find using some of those principles (like, eat real food) has helped a helluva lot.

So, Hi, I'm a sugar junkie and it's almost two years since I ate my last chocolate brownie ;-)

[gogo@]

Here's something worth watching, a link to Robert Lustig - Sugar: The Bitter Truth

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

[An3]

I also miss pizza to be honest.

 

You can buy a Pizza with a "Paleo" base at Andiccio 24.

Its not on the menu and no nutritional info available on their website but worth investigating.

I've tried it but it gave me a huge blood sugar spike.

 

http://www.andiccio24.co.za/nutritional-information.html