New Zealand - The Good, The Bad and The Ugly.

[hayleyearth]

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All in all it's really powerful.

 

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It does look great! Thanks for the info! I am sure I'll be in contact

[patches]

So Level 3 conditions... 

 

For me it basically sounds like Level 4 with Uber Eats (which I don't use anyway).

 

Keen to hear what your thoughts are?!

Edited April 16, 2020 by patches

[patham]

So Level 3 conditions... 

 

For me it basically sounds like Level 4 with Uber Eats (which I don't use anyway).

 

Keen to hear what your thoughts are?!

 

I was mailing a NZ based buddy and told him that your Level 3 is still worse than our (Aus)  hodge-podge collection of make-it-up-as-we-go-along rules.

[patches]

I was mailing a NZ based buddy and told him that your Level 3 is still worse than our (Aus)  hodge-podge collection of make-it-up-as-we-go-along rules.

 

Yup! Totally is. Still no Bunnings trips fo me!

[patham]

Yup! Totally is. Still no Bunnings trips fo me!

 

I fear the postage for a 6 m length of 2 by 4 , or a sheet of ply would make it impractical for me to send you the necessary supplies !

 

In a similar vein, we checked the Australian Post website recently. It is impossible to post anything to the sub-Sahara Africa at the moment due to border shutdowns and no flights.

 

Who would have thought that society could regress 200 odd years in a month, as you could mail stuff back then. Surface mail is obviously no longer a "thing."

 

Post to the first world is still possible, but they say to expect limited delivery spaces and unknown delays in the order of several weeks.

[Steven Knoetze (sk27)]

So Level 3 conditions... 

 

For me it basically sounds like Level 4 with Uber Eats (which I don't use anyway).

 

Keen to hear what your thoughts are?!

 

Jip, but it seems your lockdown is going well with the majority of folks abiding by the rules.

 

Watching the situation very keenly.......

[rad006]

On a side note, relating to being forced to take leave. Its not illegal, and my company which at first didn't make us take leave, has now applied it. 

 

But the brighter news is, I have not had to take a pay cut yet.....

[patches]

 

For those of you who are as unhealthy as I am...

 

...what's the first takeaway you're going to order on Thursday (if today's 4pm announcement moves us to Level 3).

[patches]

Jip, but it seems your lockdown is going well with the majority of folks abiding by the rules.

 

Watching the situation very keenly.......

 

Yeah, I think in general people have been doing their best to comply. So much so that every 2nd person is now a self-appointed undercover police informant

 

I think in the first week there were about 3500 reports from the public, dobbing in others for non-compliance.

 

Either way, the one thing I fear is that if those in the driver.s seat decide to extend this road-trip without letting the kids stop for a pee, we may have more and more bailing out of the station-wagon.

 

There's an underlying murmur that they might decide to extend Level 4 until after Anzac weekend, for fear that the public will use the long weekend to travel around, if Level 3 were in place.

 

1 long weekend in lockdown is hard. 2 is cruel.

[patches]

I fear the postage for a 6 m length of 2 by 4 , or a sheet of ply would make it impractical for me to send you the necessary supplies !

 

In a similar vein, we checked the Australian Post website recently. It is impossible to post anything to the sub-Sahara Africa at the moment due to border shutdowns and no flights.

 

Who would have thought that society could regress 200 odd years in a month, as you could mail stuff back then. Surface mail is obviously no longer a "thing."

 

Post to the first world is still possible, but they say to expect limited delivery spaces and unknown delays in the order of several weeks.

 

Hahaha, the Aussie online businesses that deliver to NZ have boomed over this lockdown. If only Bunnings was one of them. Plus your Bunnings, Harvey Norman and JB Hifi are way better than ours.

 

Man I wish either of those delivered to NZ.

 

Althouth, as you say, 20m of 2x4 and 6 sheets of gib may be hard for the postman

[Wayne Potgieter]

Yeah, I think in general people have been doing their best to comply. So much so that every 2nd person is now a self-appointed undercover police informant

 

I think in the first week there were about 3500 reports from the public, dobbing in others for non-compliance.

 

Either way, the one thing I fear is that if those in the driver.s seat decide to extend this road-trip without letting the kids stop for a pee, we may have more and more bailing out of the station-wagon.

 

There's an underlying murmur that they might decide to extend Level 4 until after Anzac weekend, for fear that the public will use the long weekend to travel around, if Level 3 were in place.

 

1 long weekend in lockdown is hard. 2 is cruel.

My opinion is that they will extend level 4 to the end of Anzac.

 

Was reading an opinion piece this morning in the herald (that was probably my first mistake) from a scientist, that suggested staying in level 4 for another 2 weeks would pretty much eliminate the virus completely.

 

I dont know if business could handle that.

 

I guess they will switch from level 4 to 3 after Anzac and then sit at level 3 for 14 days before reassessing.

 

Either way, I am glad I still have a job and no change to my income, but if the lockdown increases, that situation will likely change.

[patches]

My opinion is that they will extend level 4 to the end of Anzac.

 

Was reading an opinion piece this morning in the herald (that was probably my first mistake) from a scientist, that suggested staying in level 4 for another 2 weeks would pretty much eliminate the virus completely.

 

I dont know if business could handle that.

 

I guess they will switch from level 4 to 3 after Anzac and then sit at level 3 for 14 days before reassessing.

 

Either way, I am glad I still have a job and no change to my income, but if the lockdown increases, that situation will likely change.

 

 

Yeah there are some big divisions forming.

 

One side (NZ) that says "lets stay at home and eliminate this thing".

 

Then there's the complete opposite (Sweden) that says "people are going to die either way. Let's get it over with. Minimise the effects of the 2nd wave, isolate the elderly and vulnerable, build a herd immunity whilst keeping the economy going."

 

Then there's Aus who seem to be somewhere inbetween.

 

In my view, elimination is a little idealistic. Yes, I think a temporary elimination is possible, but how long will it last. We have to reopen borders at some stage.

 

The financial burden the public will feel by extending the lockdown, just to get that magic zero, may not be the best trade-off.

 

Edited April 19, 2020 by patches

[patham]

Yeah there are some big divisions forming.

 

One side (NZ) that says "lets stay at home and eliminate this thing".

 

Then there's the complete opposite (Sweden) that says "people are going to die either way. Let's get it over with. Minimise the effects of the 2nd wave, isolate the elderly and vulnerable, build a herd immunity whilst keeping the economy going."

 

Then there's Aus who seem to be somewhere inbetween.

 

In my view, elimination is a little idealistic. Yes, I think a temporary elimination is possible, but how long will it last. We have to reopen borders at some stage.

 

The financial burden the public will feel by extending the lockdown, just to get that magic zero, may not be the best trade-off.

 

 

The aspect that clouds matters is that politicians live for the day, not for the future decades.

 

So minimising deaths today provides a better chance of good publicity and re-election than minimising the same or more number of deaths next year, and the economy is 10 years time is some-one else's issue to fix.

 

Political NPV works on a very high discount factor !

[patches]

The aspect that clouds matters is that politicians live for the day, not for the future decades.

 

So minimising deaths today provides a better chance of good publicity and re-election than minimising the same or more number of deaths next year, and the economy is 10 years time is some-one else's issue to fix.

 

Political NPV works on a very high discount factor !

 

 

True, plus they live in a bubble. Especially career politicians. The economic affects on them (personally) are not direct. They'll still keep their jobs (even if they go out mountain biking or for a day at the beach  ), don't have to worry about their business or employer going under. They're rather insulated from it all.

[davetapson]

I think the effectiveness of the NZ lockdown has caught everyone by surprise.

 

That we are likely to eliminate it rather than 'flatten the curve' has caught everyone by surprise - and probably caused some consternaton and confusion.

 

The ideal is we're all exposed, but at very low viral loads so that most of us live - and then we can face the rest of the world.

But now we're like Kiwis and just about all the other NZ other native fauna - at risk of anything coming across the border as we don't have the tools to resist it!

[Steven Knoetze (sk27)]

Yeah, I think in general people have been doing their best to comply. So much so that every 2nd person is now a self-appointed undercover police informant

 

I think in the first week there were about 3500 reports from the public, dobbing in others for non-compliance.

 

Either way, the one thing I fear is that if those in the driver.s seat decide to extend this road-trip without letting the kids stop for a pee, we may have more and more bailing out of the station-wagon.

 

There's an underlying murmur that they might decide to extend Level 4 until after Anzac weekend, for fear that the public will use the long weekend to travel around, if Level 3 were in place.

 

1 long weekend in lockdown is hard. 2 is cruel.

 

 

Looks like they agreed, 2 more weeks before dropping to level 3 making it just after Anzac day weekend.

Then 2 weeks at level 3 before reassessing.

 

I understand the idea of elimination over flattening but part of me thinks that just opens the country up to being susceptible to the next wave of infection surely? Perhaps there may be a vaccine by then and so it is a moot point but you aren't building up herd immunity at all then.